Mjolner; The 11+ link CoC item that DOSENT EVEN NEED CRIT

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xXx_EliteHardcorePro_xXx a écrit :

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BoswerLK a écrit :

how would you discharge with the hammer...where are you getting your charges......it's not coc, you're not building into crit



I know it's a new item, but can you guys think before you theorycraft something idiotic

Romiras banquet

oh yeah

...brain was still stuck in "these people are retarded" mode from the coe + mjolnir guy, and the other guy who thought it'd still have good clear speed by dropping almost every damage multiplier the guy used and adding leech

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BoswerLK a écrit :

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xXx_EliteHardcorePro_xXx a écrit :

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BoswerLK a écrit :

how would you discharge with the hammer...where are you getting your charges......it's not coc, you're not building into crit



I know it's a new item, but can you guys think before you theorycraft something idiotic

Romiras banquet

oh yeah

...brain was still stuck in "these people are retarded" mode from the coe + mjolnir guy, and the other guy who thought it'd still have good clear speed by dropping almost every damage multiplier the guy used and adding leech

Jesus Christ you are ignorant. But I'm nice, so I'll remove your head from your ass, just this once!

In the Video his links are Arc, Lightning Pen, Iron Will. He ended up dropping Light Pen for Life Leech. Damage was overkill in the first place and he's less likely to die from reflect, assuming it gets past his maxed out spellblock and ~82% Light Res.

Here's his passive tree from the video:


He changed some of the damage on the right and some regen from the duelist area into Energy Shield and Ghost Reaver for his current setup.

Now, let's remove the absurd requirements of Righteous Fire.



Everything else can stay the same.

Lose RF.
Same Block.
More Max Res / More Aura Freedom (Purities)
More Attack Speed
Vaal Pact for Instant Leech
More Mana Regen for Possible Arctic Armor
More Energy Shield (Int, +% nodes, possible ES shield)

And that's approximate and variable depending on many choices. I didn't even min/max the numbers. This doesn't even touch on the amount of Auras you could throw onto the build for shits n' giggles.

I never said to drop all the crap you put in your post. I said add Leech. That involved replacing ONE gem. Hell, he could keep RF if he wanted to. I don't know how you took "Add Life Leech" and got "Remove RF, Blood Rage, Pain Attunement, and another Arc that doesn't even exist."

TLDR:
You had NO idea what he was even running, given your assumption of multiple Arcs, and you still insist on commenting like you run this shit. Wtf dude? If you are gonna go all pretentious asshole, at least research the build in the video.

didn't see the build posted. wasn't much interested in finding it after seeing it in action

not that it matters. I was working on the assumption we were looking to make his build survivable (shav for kaom's, lgoh, stack armor, etc). adding vp and leech isn't some magical survivability node that lets a build go from almost dying to white goats to being survivable. using an es shield would be the main accomplishment as far as survivability

you're not sustaining AA with 40% regen and no mana nodes or EB. besides that, the 1st tree you posted (presumably, his current build) is at 60% mana regen...so it's not even more


losing both pen and rf is still a colossal dps loss, and as me and others have already stated, even full yolo mode wasn't quite the fastest clear speed as is



hell, the whole idea of building it for max clear speed is questionable. a free 3 spell coc isn't that amazing. ...you can just run a 6l coc for that, and your spells would do considerably more damage cuz they also benefit from crit

mjolnir's main draw is having coc-like capabilities without sacrificing survivability to stack tons of crit and acc. his whole build concept completely missed that, and tried to make up for the weaker spell procs............by giving up even more survivability to run glass cannon boosts like pain attunement and low life blood rage. that's a terrible base concept for mjolnir, imo

I not read everything,
but from what I understand,
Mjolner only works on attacks? (couse you consider it a CoC-item)


I am close, to putting away the failures in my Cascader Self Punishing cwdt disco Build!
this allow me to trigger upto 16gem slots 3to4 times per second (vs solo target)

This makes me happy, couse now I nn imba items, and still have stronk disco!
mebe even better disco, as a pure Mjolner build, and even a lot more heals(claws), but yes, also a lot less damage!
And the creep-item-powering I hear about, is compensated bye new skillgems!


e/ what can a double Mjolner build do vs solo target?
+/-? 1.2weapon aps*3ias incl bloodrage*2.07multistrike*2double strike*0.5chance to cast*6spells = 44.7 spell casts per sec vs solo target

cwdt: 16*3to4 = 48to64 spells cast per sec

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Terrornoid a écrit :

In the Video his links are Arc, Lightning Pen, Iron Will. He ended up dropping Light Pen for Life Leech. Damage was overkill in the first place and he's less likely to die from reflect,

Finally someone who gets it..

So many people don't understand how to play anything besides physical dps.. They think those sockets in the hammer are just free added damage like wrath or something.

It's a god damn spell and if you don't put a leech in there you better have one hell of an HP/ES pool.

Or people are stuck in the closed beta stack nothing but life node mentality.

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BoswerLK a écrit :

...I was working on the assumption we were looking to make his build survivable (shav for kaom's, lgoh, stack armor, etc)...

That's.. quite the conclusion to jump to. Do you feel that Energy Shield isn't an option for a "survivable" character? Why do Blood Rage and Pain Attunement make a character "Glass Cannon?"

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Fatalflaw a écrit :

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Terrornoid a écrit :

In the Video his links are Arc, Lightning Pen, Iron Will. He ended up dropping Light Pen for Life Leech. Damage was overkill in the first place and he's less likely to die from reflect,

Finally someone who gets it..

So many people don't understand how to play anything besides physical dps.. They think those sockets in the hammer are just free added damage like wrath or something.

It's a god damn spell and if you don't put a leech in there you better have one hell of an HP/ES pool.

Or people are stuck in the closed beta stack nothing but life node mentality.

what about a corrupted lighting leech amulet + purity of lightning (+light res flask spams)
if you have 60skill casted per sec, and 10%crit chance, you already have a 2flask upkeep

leech in a weapon like that, I consider to be a waist of sockets and currency

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Terrornoid a écrit :

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BoswerLK a écrit :

...I was working on the assumption we were looking to make his build survivable (shav for kaom's, lgoh, stack armor, etc)...

That's.. quite the conclusion to jump to. Do you feel that Energy Shield isn't an option for a "survivable" character? Why do Blood Rage and Pain Attunement make a character "Glass Cannon?"

survivable es builds generally have ginourmous es pools + extreme leech, and either grace + IR or perm surgeon granites for mitigation. sometimes they'll stack mana too and can use a AA+MoM combo, like old school wanders...which no one plays anymore


low life, even with shav, is always inherently risky. pain attunement's position in the tree makes it extremely difficult to get physical mitigation, being on the polar opposite end of end charges, across the board from IR, and closing off the option of EB+AA combo

shav taking chest slot means you cannot effectively armor stack on raw armor. he's not crit build either, so perm granite is also out

blood rage is glass cannon in this case, because normally, blood rage when used for survival is used for it's immense life leech. mjolnir does crap base physical damage, and lit strike projectiles don't do any physical damage at all. without CI, even with regen and zealot's nullifying it, means he also loses the ability to es recharge. and because lgoh isn't leech, he loses that option for additional sustain too


he is forever stuck with his only sustain option being half assed arc leech. with leech nerf, a high proc rate arc with many overlapping hits isn't gonna return optimal leech, even if he did respectably go for the lower raw dps option of damage supports on arc (I initially though he put 3 arcs because that would've been the max dps combo, assuming mjolnir doesn't have a same spell cooldown like coc, which it doesn't indicate that it does)



his build concept just naturally lends itself to nonexistent physical mitigation (which is most damage in this game), and a severe lacking of sustain. this is not what makes people think mjolnir is op. like I said before, there are already many yolo glass cannon builds that will easily clear faster than his glass cannon mjolnir spec, while having more survival to boot

it's like using searing touch to put purity of fire in it for more fire res.......yeah, you can do that. but it's a complete waste of the unique

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Terrornoid a écrit :

TLDR:
You had NO idea what he was even running, given your assumption of multiple Arcs, and you still insist on commenting like you run this shit. Wtf dude? If you are gonna go all pretentious asshole, at least research the build in the video.

Actually, im the guy from the video/gif (maurader with seraph helm and DDefiance armor) i was running 6 Discharges for shits and giggles.

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kolp a écrit :

Can't wait to see the first person corrupt one for 1% light leech. 300+ ex I guess.

light leech / 10

life leech on spell build / 10

tradespawn doesnt even know iron grip dont work on spells lol / 10

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