does GGG even ban RMTers

I must say, these RMT guys are springing up like spring weeds recently. Another one in the Shadow section, has 6-link Shavs, can't tell his head from his arse :3

@rebotican

Well I actually made more than an exa per hour but I guess it wasn't really a fair comparision(since duo). I'll break it down:

- Only I did the running, friend would vendor. I usually reached piety again before my friend was even done vendoring.
- Chaos recipe was used which is significant.
- I killed piety on x2 player mode which results in more drops. Friend had the MF gear and would cull. They were actually delicate(early nemesis char) so I was soloing piety till they had to cull.

With pure alterations an exa was exceeded. With chaos recipe + good drops sold we made much more. Easily more than an exa for each player.

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jdilly23 a écrit :

Im actually blow away that this thread hasnt been moved.

GGG hides criticism related to things as simple as aura art but allows the population to see how poorly they handle RMT. Lovely :)

Id encourage all new players to take a look here. Paints a nice picture of how little is actually being done.

As stated before, GGG is targeting chinese bot forms and not as much buyers.

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@rebotican

Well I actually made more than an exa per hour but I guess it wasn't really a fair comparision(since duo). I'll break it down:

- Only I did the running, friend would vendor. I usually reached piety again before my friend was even done vendoring.
- Chaos recipe was used which is significant.
- I killed piety on x2 player mode which results in more drops. Friend had the MF gear and would cull. They were actually delicate(early nemesis char) so I was soloing piety till they had to cull.

With pure alterations an exa was reached. With chaos recipe + good drops sold we made much more.

Thats about the most awful thing I can imagine spending my time doing in poe.

Why is that :P? Rushing is pretty fun and I managed to gain many gem levels killing 1-2 packs per run. At most this would be done for 2 hours. It did get exhausting and I stopped doing it completely mid league.

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Nephalim a écrit :

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jdilly23 a écrit :

Im actually blow away that this thread hasnt been moved.

GGG hides criticism related to things as simple as aura art but allows the population to see how poorly they handle RMT. Lovely :)

Id encourage all new players to take a look here. Paints a nice picture of how little is actually being done.

As stated before, GGG is targeting chinese bot forms and not as much buyers.

Regardless of what they are doing, or attempting to do, they are failing miserably. Im just glad they are allowing the playerbase to see it for all its worth :)

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Regardless of what they are doing, or attempting to do, they are failing miserably. Im just glad they are allowing the playerbase to see it for all its worth :)

How do you judge that they're failing miserably? I haven't seen any spambots in months. Gameplay bots get banned in the 100s daily and many rmt user have gotten banned. Many of those are what fund rmt sellers which is the main way you want to go against this.

I think you're being unrealistic in your expectations. If PoE was a game you had to pay for,there would be no rmt scene after all these countermeasures. You also need to judge based off other games. PoE devs have done far more with their limited resources compared to many AAA games.

I don't know, Charan, there's a second obvious RMT thread in the Shadow forum in 2 days' time - the tendency seems to be a bit alarming :)

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Faendris a écrit :

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reboticon a écrit :

I don't believe it. Let's say on average a rare gives 10 alt shards, so 2 rares per alteration. Then Alterations to chaos is either 16 or 20, so either 32 rares or 40 rares per chaos. Then 20->30 chaos per ex. Low side, 640 rares culled, picked up, identified, sorted, sold to vendor. High side, 1200 rares per chaos. That's 10 rares a minute on the low end, 20 rares per minute on the high end. That is 3-6 seconds per rare to Kill Boss, Pick up item, portal to town, identify item, run to vendor, sell item.

If you are only talking about picking up the items, sure I can believe that, but actually converting the rares acquired to alterations in the same hour? Nope, don't believe it. Anyone wants to make a video showing near that sort of farming speed, I will give 6L Occultist in HC.

Your numbers are off (at least in standard). 1 ex = 280 alt. This cuts your numbers almost in half. And that does not include the odd high value drop that you get every 2-3 hours of Dominus farming.

We were talking in leagues since Nemesis was mentioned, and the statement was made that it was only through alterations, not other drops. 280alt does not cut my numbers in half at all, as my low end was 320 alt. That's 1/8th.

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kasub a écrit :

@rebotican

Well I actually made more than an exa per hour but I guess it wasn't really a fair comparision(since duo). I'll break it down:

- Only I did the running, friend would vendor. I usually reached piety again before my friend was even done vendoring.
- Chaos recipe was used which is significant.
- I killed piety on x2 player mode which results in more drops. Friend had the MF gear and would cull. They were actually delicate(early nemesis char) so I was soloing piety till they had to cull.

With pure alterations an exa was exceeded. With chaos recipe + good drops sold we made much more. Easily more than an exa for each player.

Well chaos recipe wasn't mentioned in your first post, and that is a large part of the wealth ;) Also having someone to vendor items saves a tremendous amount of time.

When I was farming dominus, I killed him in average 6 minutes with 90/350 with 4 extra clients. Averaged 45/50 rares per run but the majority of time was spent picking up items and portaling them back, then I would throw them in my stash until I had 25-30 tabs of unidentified items, and then sort and do chaos recipe/ organize for shop/ alterations.

Breaking an ex per hour was very rare due to lost time to vendors and sorting, as well as acquiring wisdom scrolls which I was buying by the exalt, but having two real people definitely cuts down on that a lot.

too bad ggg throws the concept of "neighbourhood watch" completely out the window with that stance on name-and-shame

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Juicebox360 a écrit :

too bad ggg throws the concept of "neighbourhood watch" completely out the window with that stance on name-and-shame

I actually agree with their naming-and-shaming policy (it is really pretty standard for MMO/MP gaming forums). The abuse potential outweighs the benefits. What is less optimal is that email reports are not followed up on, as some claim.

(I don't know if that is the case. Actually, I feel somewhat bad for my GGG criticism when it comes to RMT encouragement, because I have only ever had fantastic experiences with their support staff. My criticism is aimed at the designers and decision makers, not the CSRs who take flack for stuff they may not have a say in. Chris gets to be the nice guy, the support staff are the "bad cops", but he's calling the shots.)