Evasion---Hard Counters with nothing to recounter

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mazul a écrit :

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Autocthon a écrit :

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mazul a écrit :

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So now what's wrong with how evade scales?

Well simply put, if you double your evade rating, your "increased effective hp vs evadable attacks" is only multiplied by factor 2^0.8 = 1.74

If you double armour on the other hand, your "increased effective hp vs armour-reduced attacks" is multiplied by factor 2.

Look what happens if we quadruple instead:
4^0.8 vs 4*1, i.e. 3.03 vs 4

And for that reason I want the 0.8 exponent removed.
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That's wrong for armour.

Damage Taken= (Damage*Armour)/(Damage*12+Armour)

If you have 50% "Damage Reduction"

50 = (100*1200)/(100*12+1200)

If you double your armour your new damage taken is (and your new DR)

(100*2400)/(1200+2400) = 33 Damage Taken
66% DR

Your eHP hasn't been doubled. It's been increased by 50%. In the case of evasion the exponent is to make Dex "better" with evasion than Str without breaking the curve. there is NOTHING wrong with evasion scaling.

I didnt write eHP doubled, I said "Increased eHP" is doubled. Compare to going from 40% global crit chance to 80% global crit chance.

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Delirii a écrit :

If you deem the 400 dex I got (350 from tree + a bit from gear) + 3 nodes with accuracy, that are literally on my way, to be too much of an investment, then you are asking for a free, high chance to hit. Player's accuracy already got buffed a lot in the patch that brought us the Ranger rework.

Seriously. If you think your crit char lacks accuracy, but don't want to spend any single passive on it, then pick the accuracy support with quality, raising your chance to crit as well.

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JohnNamikaze a écrit :

You can even add in that some Melee AR that goes IR and spec out of US eventually to take advantage of Blind from BoR. I use Blind (24% chance to hit player) + Enfeeble to make all the bosses have a hard time hitting me and deal less damage on top of critting less often.

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Lord_of_Error a écrit :

I like EV for it's strength when dealing with ele reflect, an additional protection to your resists that armour can't offer.

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lukeiy a écrit :

Evasion just got a huge buff, I would say it's pretty good now. My 68 bow shadow has 60% evade chance, 46% dodge chance, 20% spell dodge, 95% projectile evade and 75% attack avoidance from blind on my lightning arrow totem...

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Show me ANY successful Melee Evasion build that relies on actually evading skills and not on using IR because its far superior. Why is it far superior end game?? Because Reflect. Forget white mobs. We have to worry about our own attacks killing us. Because of low life and 0 damage mitigation we have to worry about stunning ourselves.

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BTW... after the evasion buff level 79 monsters still have an accuracy rating around 1048. Do you know how much Evasion you need to get to 50% chance to evade? 23,851.

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Delirii a écrit :

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Show me ANY successful Melee Evasion build that relies on actually evading skills and not on using IR because its far superior. Why is it far superior end game?? Because Reflect. Forget white mobs. We have to worry about our own attacks killing us. Because of low life and 0 damage mitigation we have to worry about stunning ourselves.

I never had to worry about killing myself. I didn't take a single +crit node, so my crits do barely more damage than normal hits. Reflect enemies are no challenge at all.

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BTW... after the evasion buff level 79 monsters still have an accuracy rating around 1048. Do you know how much Evasion you need to get to 50% chance to evade? 23,851.

Yeah, takes quite some investment, I agree. But we have Enfeeble. -69% Acc on a 20/20 gem. That's 41% / 34% against bosses. Helps a lot.