[3.7] 1H-Impale Cyclone Champion/Slayer - 16M+ Shaper DPS Fullbuffed / 158%-220% Movspeed Speedy Boy

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Profatum a écrit :

Hello, wanted to ask a few things about slayer version. You are saying that slayer has less damage and more aoe, but is it all that differs actually? What about utility? And is it viable? Anyone who made it to maps with slayer already, how does it feel?

It is very much viable, sadly I just overtook the champion dps wise with my slayer (in PoB at least <_<) Champ still takes less damage, but slayer is up front in dps regards on bosses at least. On normal mobs he is behind by 3%.

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MachenspielerCIS a écrit :

Hello,
Thanks for build =)

Can i use Gladiator? Which skills should i select?

Yes you can I guess, I'd go Blood in the Eyes -> Gratuitous Violence -> Arena Challenger -> Outmatch and Outlast. Tho I'm not really a gladiator main, might be that you wanna go the more defensive route.

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vax a écrit :

Will CWDT cast skills that you dont have enough mana for? Or does CWDT ignore mana costs?

e.g. I have all reserved except for 30 mana, my Ice Golem costs 36 mana. Will it be cast?

CWDT ignores Mana Cost

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GonzoHarratec a écrit :

Couple of Questions:

Slayer seems nicer for Aoe, but if you are trading dmg for aoe (To clear maps) couldn't the same thing be achieved with a gem swap on champion? (IE pulverize for clearing and melee phys for bossing) Its not quite the same 50% aoe from the slayer ascendancy, but its close.

Are there any advantages to slayer other than AOE? (the phys reflect is nice, but I can reroll those mods)

The dmg for close combat, is it being used at all ranges of the cyclone circle, or do I need to stand ON them.

Following that thought, would increasing the AOE mean decreasing the effectiveness of Close Combat?

Loving this build, I thought cyclone would be boring but NOPE!

Pulverise helps quite a bit yes, also having the foils helps a lot (many ppl run around with swords not realizing it has lower weapon range)

Well Slayer has overleech + more Aoe, from new calculations also more bossdamage. Champion on the other hand has more damage on normal mobs and is quite a bit tankier (taunt 6% less damage taken, +1k Evasion and Armour) and is a bit faster due to Inspirational and increased aura effect which applies to vaal haste.

Yes on the Close Combat one, damage would be lower for a bigger range, but also you hit more and can move closer to stuff that doesn't die as fast. And we have so much damage on both versions, that this is mostly not required.

Definitely Did not think you would respond that quickly!

So I edited this in, but how do you reliably generate frenzy charges for phase run? It seems like I'm not really getting many of those while running.

Also in response to your questions, it really seems like Champion V Slayer is pretty much preference, since the weakness/ benefits of each can be offset by gems. Am I missing something big?

Just read your update post above, I'm going to play around in PoB and maybe switch. At least I only have the first lab done. :D

This is only my second league, so its definitely possible.

hi can you help with skill tree during this leveling sorry for this question i am a beginner

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GonzoHarratec a écrit :

Definitely Did not think you would respond that quickly!

So I edited this in, but how do you reliably generate frenzy charges for phase run? It seems like I'm not really getting many of those while running.

Also in response to your questions, it really seems like Champion V Slayer is pretty much preference, since the weakness/ benefits of each can be offset by gems. Am I missing something big?

This is only my second league, so its definitely possible.

I check in every once in a while :p

You mostly generate it in maps from blood rage, on bosses from adds and a 10% chance when you block attack damage. But honestly you don't need them, I never calculated them into DPS anyway, and dps wise we're already beyond the sky.

Main point for slayer is mapping honestly, the aoe + survivability are really good. But it lacks in tankiness at bosses. Almost all the defense from slayer comes from Fortify, Endurance Charges, Overleech and Infused Channeling, while Champion has built in 6% less damage taken from taunted enemies +1k armour + evasion if you impaled recently + a few armour + evasion% notes.

13M vs 15M shaper DPS, at that point the dmg is so high it almost doesn't matter.

You may change my mind when I see a video with a huge aoe slayer cyclone, but for now I think I'm sticking with the champ.

Thanks for answering the questions, I appreciate it.

Multicrafting is a suffix so you can't get attack speed, crit chance and crit multi with it.

what you think about swaping closecombat for pulverise ??

man I read this thread *yesterday* and it was all like "Slayer has better survivability with leech, but Champion has better DPS" and now we're all "jk Slayer has better DPS and Champion has better survivability", can't keep up with this fast-paced modern world

In your forum post you say "Blood rage+ Flesh and Stone + Maim Support"

but in PoB its only Maim support and Blood rage eventhough maim support doesnt work on blood rage.

Any idea?