Loot from 3 harbinger maps / 10 harbinger guys

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Shagsbeard a écrit :

"with proper speed clearing"

Wut? Is there some board that meets somewhere and establishes guidelines as to what is "proper" and what is not?

There are multiple guides and videos which talk about it. The basics are simple, with some variance according to personal preferences. The general goal is to clear maps in a few minutes with little to no downtime between maps. The common factors:

- have a fast build
- have an extremely strict item filter
- don't sell cheap stuff (for some players the lower limit is 3c, for others it's 5c or even 10c, depends on the price of maps the player is chaining)
- roll a bunch of maps in advance and chain them

Some builds and players achieve 1 to 2-minute map clears. That's too hectic for my preference.


All this being said, I like to proceed at my own pace which is almost leisurely in comparison. I've played entire leagues doing the chaos recipe, doing the unid chaos recipe and not doing the recipe at all. I always used the "pick up just ammies, rings and belts and then do it in batches of 10 or 20" method which makes it substantially faster. I still found I made much more currency in leagues in which I didn't use it.


p.s. of course, everyone is free to play however they like and I'm not here to preach and force my views on others - just sharing my experience, which happens to coincide with the experience of many other players, some of whom are substantially better and more experienced than I am or will ever be. So, these are my 2 cents, what anyone does with that is entirely up to them.

i think having to run the same linear map over and over again is the right punishment for those "effective" players.
for me, the "fun factor" of speed clearing equals that of working at a conveyor belt.

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vio a écrit :

i think having to run the same linear map over and over again is the right punishment for those "effective" players.
for me, the "fun factor" of speed clearing equals that of working at a conveyor belt.

I'm pretty sure people who don't enjoy this type of farming don't do it, at least not for long. :) It's a love it or hate it kind of thing.

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Bars a écrit :

I still found I made much more currency in leagues in which I didn't use it.

I suppose that was in trade leagues, right? I do the chaos/regal recipes in SSF, in trade leagues it's pointless as you will get far more chaos selling things to other players (at least that was my experience a year ago when I last played in trade leagues - and I never traded much).

OP, stop wasting good currency on trash Harbinger, damnit! :D

Rings, amulets, gloves (I always seem to be short on gloves), helms, belts.
Body armour and weapons are more-than-a-dime-a-dozen.

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quicksixteen a écrit :

People avoid the chaos recipe to extremes it seems, and I can’t actually tell why. It can get very time consuming for sure, but I just enter thinking “hat, boots, gloves, body, weapon” and pick rares quickly as they drop. If there is a huge lootsplosion, drop a portal and build a chaos set or two.

I understand why picking every rare and trying to micromanage inventory is time consuming, but I don’t understand why it is being discarded entirely when there are more efficient ways about it. There is a staggering amount of chaos being left behind in the spirit of gotta go fast.

every tp out slows you down multiple times if you are fast clearer
my clear speed goes up by 2-5 times the more mobs i kill

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Aetherium a écrit :

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quicksixteen a écrit :

People avoid the chaos recipe to extremes it seems, and I can’t actually tell why. It can get very time consuming for sure, but I just enter thinking “hat, boots, gloves, body, weapon” and pick rares quickly as they drop. If there is a huge lootsplosion, drop a portal and build a chaos set or two.

I understand why picking every rare and trying to micromanage inventory is time consuming, but I don’t understand why it is being discarded entirely when there are more efficient ways about it. There is a staggering amount of chaos being left behind in the spirit of gotta go fast.

every tp out slows you down multiple times if you are fast clearer

my clear speed goes up by 2-5 times the more mobs i kill

SSF hh what the actual heck.

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Aetherium a écrit :

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quicksixteen a écrit :

People avoid the chaos recipe to extremes it seems, and I can’t actually tell why. It can get very time consuming for sure, but I just enter thinking “hat, boots, gloves, body, weapon” and pick rares quickly as they drop. If there is a huge lootsplosion, drop a portal and build a chaos set or two.

I understand why picking every rare and trying to micromanage inventory is time consuming, but I don’t understand why it is being discarded entirely when there are more efficient ways about it. There is a staggering amount of chaos being left behind in the spirit of gotta go fast.

every tp out slows you down multiple times if you are fast clearer

my clear speed goes up by 2-5 times the more mobs i kill

The Doctor farm?

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morbo a écrit :

I suppose that was in trade leagues, right? I do the chaos/regal recipes in SSF, in trade leagues it's pointless as you will get far more chaos selling things to other players (at least that was my experience a year ago when I last played in trade leagues - and I never traded much).

OP, stop wasting good currency on trash Harbinger, damnit! :D

Trade leagues, naturally. I do the chaos and regal recipe in SSF :D

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quicksixteen a écrit :

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Nubatron a écrit :

There are ways to do the chaos recipe without the tons of overhead of micromanaging it. If it adds 30 seconds to my mapping experience, I would be shocked.

1. Rings/Amulets are the long pole in the tent. Grab them always, toss them into a tab.
2. When that tab starts getting filled, make a note to grab one of each slot as you run through maps.
3. Finish map. Go to stash. Get next map. Get 2 rings/1 amulet. Sell for 2 chaos.
4. Open new map. Go to step 1 until tab is sufficiently depleted.

This is pretty much exactly how I do it. If you run a map where the bosses are high drop ( multiple bosses or enraged rhoas) then you are practically guaranteed 2 chaos for less than 5 seconds of clicking. It’s not like I am going slow the rest of the 90seconds it takes to clear the map holding shield charge.

As soon as chaos recipe becomes a must in this game, I know things have gone to the shitter. Never in my life have I done chaos recipe and never I will do it as well. It's as good as doing a Captcha every 3 minutes, not fun at all in any way.

Regarding it being efficient, again, no. If you play the game properly and have the old drop rates( not sure if they've fixed it yet) then your inventory will be full of 1-2 good rare bases and 1-2 6 links. As soon as you start running back and forth between the map and hideout, you're just wasting time.

Also it's not 5 seconds. You have 5 seconds of picking it up, then you possibly have 10 seconds of rearranging items in your inventory, then you have 30 seconds of loading and delivery to your hideout and then later you have 20 seconds of picking it up from stash tabs and selling it. 1 minute = 1 chaos with very generous numbers. Not to mention it requires you to constantly think during mapping which parts to pick up and overanalyze the loot, which again, is not fun.

The loss of breach was very devastating lol