Having to purchase red maps, vaal & alch orbs

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Maelstromicus a écrit :

My own personal theory is that the manner of the introduction of nets "broke" many things.

That's tin foil hat territory.
Einhar isn't eating your alchemy orbs.

Bestiary has no real "loot pinata" like the previous leagues did.
We're pretty much playing standard this league, and that's how standard drop rates look like.

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Peterlerock a écrit :

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Maelstromicus a écrit :

My own personal theory is that the manner of the introduction of nets "broke" many things.

That's tin foil hat territory.
Einhar isn't eating your alchemy orbs.

Bestiary has no real "loot pinata" like the previous leagues did.
We're pretty much playing standard this league, and that's how standard drop rates look like.

No loot pinata but also they did nerf density, imo this is a good old GGG nerf which went, again, 2 far :(

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Arrowneous a écrit :

But drop rates have been deliberately reduced to try and push the netting meta. If that is not to your liking, and few if any players will embrace map and loot starvation, your only recourse is to play standard...

I can assure you drop rates are as miserable in standard as they are in beastiary. I'm alching, chiseling, vaaling every red map and still only get a new red map to drop once every 5 maps.

In 1 month of standard play I went from a pool of >150 red maps to something like 75 red maps now. And even then I bought a lot of maps as well.

If anything, this is what wants me to give up on this game entirely. I don't get why GGG is not addressing this issue and just catering for those 1% of players that still think (red!) map drops are "as intended".

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bablo a écrit :

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Arrowneous a écrit :

But drop rates have been deliberately reduced to try and push the netting meta. If that is not to your liking, and few if any players will embrace map and loot starvation, your only recourse is to play standard...

I can assure you drop rates are as miserable in standard as they are in beastiary. I'm alching, chiseling, vaaling every red map and still only get a new red map to drop once every 5 maps.

In 1 month of standard play I went from a pool of >150 red maps to something like 75 red maps now. And even then I bought a lot of maps as well.

If anything, this is what wants me to give up on this game entirely. I don't get why GGG is not addressing this issue and just catering for those 1% of players that still think (red!) map drops are "as intended".

Well GGG never made it a secret he only caters the 1% of his player base, if they say nerf he nerfs, if they say it is to damn easy to get to level 100 he destroyes xp gains, etc. GGG only wants this 1% to be happy and 2 leech of the casuals!

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bablo a écrit :

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Arrowneous a écrit :

But drop rates have been deliberately reduced to try and push the netting meta. If that is not to your liking, and few if any players will embrace map and loot starvation, your only recourse is to play standard...

I can assure you drop rates are as miserable in standard as they are in beastiary. I'm alching, chiseling, vaaling every red map and still only get a new red map to drop once every 5 maps.

In 1 month of standard play I went from a pool of >150 red maps to something like 75 red maps now. And even then I bought a lot of maps as well.

If anything, this is what wants me to give up on this game entirely. I don't get why GGG is not addressing this issue and just catering for those 1% of players that still think (red!) map drops are "as intended".

What quantity and pack size are you rolling for? Or are you not rolling them?

Problem is you can roll a map 10 times and it will come out as 49/29/19 most of the time.

I'm guessing they want to enforce this as a standard now.

Guys, seriously, do you think the people selling the maps to you are finding them in trees?

T16 are around 25c a piece which is not particularly high compared to standard or some other leagues (not harbinger obviously).

If you're all struggling you're either doing it wrong, or you haven't prepared what's necessary yet.

Use sextants, blocking doesn't work but they're twice cheaper than before. Use chisels, as usual. Use elder/shaper influence. Use elder orb, elder T16 have like twice the mobs of regular T16 and one can spam white sextants around them. Sell maps you don't use to buy maps you want to run. Use prophecies. Use zana mods or vaals.

If you're not doing all that, well no pain no gain...

Sure this league is trade heavy, but absolutely manageable in terms of map drops.

Sure, it's a bit tough this league, but that's more opportunities to get easy chaos if you do things right.

People were complaining when maps were worthless in harbinger, people were complaining when map were expensive. Just stop complaining and optimize whatever you're given. I was happy in harbinger with easy xp, I'm now happy in bestiary with easy chaos from map sells.


And well if you're SSF... masochistic choice, can't really complain lol.

I never was invested enough to get a character thru Shaper/Guardians (mostly because the chars that I played long enough/spent the currency on can't really do him or Guardians whiteout serious investment) but IIRC I never had an issue getting the actual Maps up to t15.

Now? I'm stuck since 10+ hours of playing whiteout any real Progress on the Atlas... Something feels wrong, very, very wrong. I chisled, alched or "double blue'd" every T7+...

I'm now on my second toon and start with plenty T1-7's...

It could be that i'm spoiled because i mostly played in Harbinger... But this? My league starter-necro just ran thru all these maps no matter the mods whiteout any issues but hit a roadblock on T9/10 due to sheer "bad rng galore" I guess... I don't know if you are supposed to constantly trade for maps/trade for a stock of them to get going but i should for sure get the occasional red map?

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aDoreMe a écrit :

Now? I'm stuck since 10+ hours of playing whiteout any real Progress on the Atlas... Something feels wrong, very, very wrong. I chisled, alched or "double blue'd" every T7+...

As written above:

(Selffound) Mapping has barriers to overcome, there will be dark times when you completely run out of "progression", feel like banging your head against a wall.

But after a while, if you are persistent, good things will happen, you slowly but surely climb in tiers, and after a while, the completion bonus starts to work in your favor.

Trade and horizon/harbinger orbs speed up the process, of course.

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Peterlerock a écrit :

As written above:

(Selffound) Mapping has barriers to overcome, there will be dark times when you completely run out of "progression", feel like banging your head against a wall.

But after a while, if you are persistent, good things will happen, you slowly but surely climb in tiers, and after a while, the completion bonus starts to work in your favor.

Trade and horizon/harbinger orbs speed up the process, of course.

Can i have my cookie now? Please!



It's not about progress to tier 15. It's about shitty map drops that makes it not possible to sustain ONE map. What is the point of shaping atlas and playing elder-shaper ping pong if i can't get tier 11 map back.
In fact what is the point of atlas. Why not just create device that opens portal to random map. This is how game feels now - random map all the time.

3 days ago i tried running shaped tier 11. After 2 days my pool went from 5 to 8. Today is day 3 and guess what, i have 1 map left. Nice, right?
Every single map i chisseled and rerolled until i hit nemesis/two bosses/bloodline/beyond (i know beyond doesn't give map drops) + zana bloodline.

Now tell me game is fun. In Harbinger league i was running shaped spider forest - alch and go, sometimes chisels, 0 zana mods, no sextants, no league currency etc. Not only i build my map pool from scratch but also it took my one week (maybe 2, let's say 1-2 weeks) to fill 2 quad tabs in shaped spider forest map.