Remove Chaos Immunity From Chaos Inoculation

I agree with the commentary that CI isn't the OP thing in the current defense equation and removing the immunity gets rid of the theme (Inoculation).

The problem continues to be:
- GR (minorly, ZO)
- VP

Blue Life shouldn't exist and instant leech shouldn't exist. GGG didn't care about this all through 1.X and 2.X. Who knows if 3.0 is actually gonna change anything.

The commentary on removing life gain from strength (and making it armor% gain from strength) is super interesting, but that issue is an even older one (very much pre 1.0) that GGG also doesn't care about.

making armor and evasion effective vs all kind of damage is the best buff life can get right now. That will leave us with ES as the high hitpoint option and life with armor/eva as the lower hitpoints but higher mitigation option.


numbers may need a check but would aim to this:
+1 to max ele ress and +10% to chaos ress every 10k armor

take 1% less damage every 4000 eva

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making armor and evasion effective vs all kind of damage is the best buff life can get right now. That will leave us with ES as the high hitpoint option and life with armor/eva as the lower hitpoints but higher mitigation option.

That wouldn't be a good idea, because if all 3 options protect against everything 2 of them are useless. Because it doesn't matter if you have 4.000 HP and mitigate 50% of all damage or you have 8.000 and mitigate nothing, although of course the lower pool has the advantage of leeching more.

Right now Armor and Evasion have downsides, which is a good thing because it makes them different and desirable in certain situations, however ES lacks that. There is a fair argument that exspecially evasion has to dig a bit too deep into strength to find some supplements for its biggest weakness but overall they work decently. There are only small changes required to fix Evasion and Armor, the rest is up to look at some boss abilities or map mods and such elements that punish specific defenses way too hard while being trivilized by others.

A good example in terms of CI is that there are now for some reason enemies using Essence drain... which is a bit odd, those are not too hard for most life based builds, but having them makes hardly sense considering you can completly ignore them with Immunity or 75% Chaos res, because as it seems Chaos Damage is not balanced around the player having 75% chaos res, but a lower value, so having 75% resistance makes those pure chaos damage sources a non issue and CI does even more so.

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Aim_Deep a écrit :

Lame suggestion. CI is fine. Life needs a buff back to old school % values nodes.

Isn't even the real issue. The issue is how much life vs es you get on gear. 110 Life on chest vs 900+ ES? 70+ Life on Rings vs 40+ Flat es AND 20% Global ES??

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Aim_Deep a écrit :

Why would anyone play CI? LL shavs does that with 30% more damage on top.

Ehm, because of juicy 15% moar ES node after CI? Not counting more ES/resists from good ES chest? And you'd still be able to have that 30% more damage. On top.

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silumit a écrit :

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Aim_Deep a écrit :

Why would anyone play CI? LL shavs does that with 30% more damage on top.

Ehm, because of juicy 15% moar ES node after CI? Not counting more ES/resists from good ES chest? And you'd still be able to have that 30% more damage. On top.

Nah, CI = 1/1 Life = 100%, doesn't count as low life.

I though OP meant that instead of "1 life, immune to chaos" CI should be "no change to life, chaos doesn't bypass ES".

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Emphasy a écrit :

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making armor and evasion effective vs all kind of damage is the best buff life can get right now. That will leave us with ES as the high hitpoint option and life with armor/eva as the lower hitpoints but higher mitigation option.

That wouldn't be a good idea, because if all 3 options protect against everything 2 of them are useless. Because it doesn't matter if you have 4.000 HP and mitigate 50% of all damage or you have 8.000 and mitigate nothing, although of course the lower pool has the advantage of leeching more.

Right now Armor and Evasion have downsides, which is a good thing because it makes them different and desirable in certain situations, however ES lacks that. There is a fair argument that exspecially evasion has to dig a bit too deep into strength to find some supplements for its biggest weakness but overall they work decently. There are only small changes required to fix Evasion and Armor, the rest is up to look at some boss abilities or map mods and such elements that punish specific defenses way too hard while being trivilized by others.

there is a diference between having downsides and having hard counters.

armor is not weak vs elemental, its simply useless and becouse of that if you have to choose from spendig 15 points into armor or 15 points into more hitpoints its a no brainer that stacking more hitpoints is better since you wont get 1 shooted the moment you get hit by elemental damage.

so its either that or start adding keystones that aloud armor / eva to effectivly counter all kind of damage sources like:

prismatic armor:
sources of phys damage reduction are applied to elemental at 70% effectivness
resistances become cero

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caboom a écrit :

prismatic armor:
sources of phys damage reduction are applied to elemental at 70% effectivness
resistances become cero

Way to go to create completely broken mechanics.

And please stop with the urban legens @"you get one shot on daily basis by elemental damage".
You don't ( unless you cannot build your char properly, that is ).
This statement excludes volatiles, volatiles just allow the stars to align purely on elemental damage too much ... :/.


That said, ES has almost no downsides / counters, and that is not a healthy thing for the game imho.

Totally agree with this idea! Would also allow GGG to actually bring out some content with seriously threatening chaos damage. Immunities in games really limit design space.

Found it quite hilarious when they released chayula and she dealt mostly physical damage with a sprinkling of chaos (because it would be crazy for CI charas to be immune to a boss)