increase rate of Trials found in maps

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ghoulavenger a écrit :

Depends on how long you play, and what your clear speed looks like. A couple hours of play for me is like ten-fifteen maps (no whirling blades, incinerate, play all maps not just gorges, full loot, and I don't push the limits). If I played all day I'm sure I could find the trials relatively quickly. But a couple hours per day, is what I'm usually willing to spend on path of exile. So at the upper most limit for me, 10-15 maps per trial is what I'd be willing to do, just so I felt like there was progress. But then each trial is random, so you may get repeats.

To put up with this kind of shift in map meta and reasonably acquire the trials I'm either forced to do 1 of 2 things:
1. Pool resources with other people, which I generally don't do, I like playing by myself.
2. Run a bunch of white tiered maps and skip clearing them entirely. With a quicksilver flask or two, this should be really fast. White tiered maps can barely do damage to me too so I don't have to worry about survivability.

Neither one of those options appeals to me. But I might start doing number 2, after I rebuild my pool of white tier maps, which I normally just vendored up.

It is only 1 day.

May be you should try continue your usual business and 3 months later if you still couldnt get it then that is definitely a problem with their rarity. It is make to assume that most people can eventually find it during the 3 months league.

I got 2 without even trying, I didnt even went out of way to chain map to find it.
It is all from zana mission. I say I let the 3 months of playing speak the result first b4 complaining.

Like I said the trial itself isnt a problem, the offering itself is a problem.

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Darkkrows a écrit :

It is only 1 day.

Yes, which is why now is the time to be speaking out about it.

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Darkkrows a écrit :

May be you should try continue your usual business and 3 months later if you still couldnt get it then that is definitely a problem with their rarity. It is make to assume that most people can eventually find it during the 3 months league.

Again that depends on how much you play. Did you not read my post at all? I'm not playing the league, nor do I want to. If I was, I wouldn't be at maps for at least a week or two. I'm playing casually.

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Darkkrows a écrit :

I got 2 without even trying, I didnt even went out of way to chain map to find it.
It is all from zana mission. I say I let the 3 months of playing speak the result first b4 complaining.

Like I said the trial itself isnt a problem, the offering itself is a problem.

Well you got lucky because I didn't get any in Zana missions. Nor am I overly concerned with a 3 month league time frame. I'm concerned with the fact that playing a couple hours per day offers the chance to have no progress. That is a problem. More so than the trial tokens. By the time I get all 6 trials done, I expect to have 12 trial tokens. You'll have at least 6 just from virtue of unlocking it. First trial token is a throwaway to experience the new labyrinth. The next five are to get your ascendancy points. If you can't get them in that many tokens, the labyrinth may be too difficult. Any tokens beyond that are for enchant farming and racing. People that want that, will just buy the tokens. I don't see a problem with that.

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ghoulavenger a écrit :

I'm concerned with the fact that playing a couple hours per day offers the chance to have no progress. That is a problem. More so than the trial tokens. By the time I get all 6 trials done, I expect to have 12 trial tokens. You'll have at least 6 just from virtue of unlocking it. First trial token is a throwaway to experience the new labyrinth. The next five are to get your ascendancy points. If you can't get them in that many tokens, the labyrinth may be too difficult. Any tokens beyond that are for enchant farming and racing. People that want that, will just buy the tokens. I don't see a problem with that.

Your progress = you got exp + loot? Just think of those trials are bonus you are getting during casual mapping.

if you have been doing mapping casually, you will eventually find all 6 of them especially in permanent league. :)

try play the game like you would normally play b4 this patch. It is not like your char will stop function without that last 2 points.

Gating the uber lab behing rng was bad enough but the offering thing is plain retarded. Just allow everyone to run it as much as we want once we cleared the map trials.

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IceDeal a écrit :

Gating the uber lab behing rng was bad enough but the offering thing is plain retarded. Just allow everyone to run it as much as we want once we cleared the map trials.

Having it drop as a regular map once the offering has been done would indeed be nice only .... it would need a gate to stop people not having done the offering to get in then ( could be accessed through trading so ... ).

I have not played a lot since yesterday, but from the forums it seems like an Atziri's mechanism basically, only Atziri seems more rewarding ....

Maybe it's just because I grew up on Final Fantasy games, where there was truly-optional content that the game developers weren't banking on every single player achieving 100% of, but all of this complaining about Labyrinth baffles me. Is difficulty-in-the-form-of-low-drop-rates going out of style nowadays? Maybe POE players are just so disillusioned with the Map system that they rage at any new RNG added to the game?

From what I've seen, the trial rate is just fine for my tastes. I personally think it's nice to have something more challenging than other, similar mechanics. Keeps the game varied. There is easy RNG and hard RNG, the Alteration drops and the Exalted drops. Everything always the same makes for a bland game.

100 maps per trial - that would be way too much, but the 1 post in this thread is the first I've heard of it. An unfortunate outlier?

Someone in Global Chat claimed to have gotten 8 trials (4 types) within 80 maps, or something like that. To me, that's actually on the side of too easy - at that point, why not just allow infinite access?

15-25 maps per trial seems just right to me. Creates that feeling of a Rare, Exclusive, Test of your Character's Highly Elite Powers and Abilities.

And, as someone else mentioned already - it's just day 1. PoE doesn't seem to be a game designed to be fully 100% completed in all content within three days. It's the kind of game I hope to play for years. Isn't it nice to have a Super Ultra Rare Pepe Reward that it takes a while to earn? I know the "Ascendancy is Optional" trope has been repeated to death, but it's actually pretty relevant for endgame labyrinth, IMO. How many builds out there absolutely need 8 ascendancy points to achieve basic, minimum function?

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tl;dr: to me, Endgame Labyrinth is the same category as the grind from 90 to 100. Not for everyone. Perfectly designed for that intentional design goal of showing off your character's Exceptional Distinction.

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Darkkrows a écrit :

Your progress = you got exp + loot? Just think of those trials are bonus you are getting during casual mapping.

These trials are gating content to the development of my character. They are not a "bonus".

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Darkkrows a écrit :

if you have been doing mapping casually, you will eventually find all 6 of them especially in permanent league. :)

True.

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Darkkrows a écrit :

try play the game like you would normally play b4 this patch. It is not like your char will stop function without that last 2 points.

I think you missed the point.

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ghoulavenger a écrit :

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Darkkrows a écrit :

Your progress = you got exp + loot? Just think of those trials are bonus you are getting during casual mapping.

These trials are gating content to the development of my character. They are not a "bonus".

Yes they are.

In FF series, some side quest give you powerful weapons.
Powerful weapons are part of the character's developments in the same way 2 ascendancy points are.
Those are still side quests, optional content = bonus; You do not need them to reach the end of the game.

If you feel that it's not optional, it's your expectations that are not in line with what the game is.

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Fruz a écrit :

Yes they are.

In FF series, some side quest give you powerful weapons.
Powerful weapons are part of the character's developments in the same way 2 ascendancy points are.
Those are still side quests, optional content = bonus; You do not need them to reach the end of the game.

If you feel that it's not optional, it's your expectations that are not in line with what the game is.

lol pretty much this.

Infact as of I typing this post, I already complete all 6 trials, with 2 chars "offering ready"

The only thing I have issue is the offering drop should extended outside of laby end-game map.

IMO GGG should make a decent chance to drop inside Laby merc's side quest. For example Argus Merc & those silver boxes/trinket boxes. These laby merc side quest is pretty much ignored when a player farm laby for helm enchantment.

May be adding offering dropping these side quest give these side quest some "needed attention"