Faster level 100 + ladder improvements = more and longer joy

Levelling from 90 to 100 takes way too long
It is super boring. The intention with this is to keep people playing without reaching their peak too fast. I created a dozen characters in Perandus most of them to level 80-90. I would do so as well if levelling to 100 was faster but it would just be more satisfying and less boring. PoE is about creating different builds - finalizing one will not stop most from creating other builds I think. For instance - after having done a dozen builds I will probably stop playing soon because bringing my favorite build to level 100 and Uber Atziri status is just too boring ( while it would be enjoyable to keep playing if I got there faster and was able to grind Uber ... )

The next point is closely related to it.

The temp / challenge league ladder only shows who got to level 100 first in a league
This renders the ladder pointless after one week or so into the league and does not motivate people to level to 100 afterwards making the first point neccessary to have an incentive for people to play for a bit longer.

My suggestion :

- Levelling to 100 should be faster ( and / or map availability should be much better - e.g. I and many others would do Gorges, Plateaus etc all day to level 100 but they are too rare )
- The ladder should be based on time played ( "/played" ) so at any time into the league people can reach top place by creating the most efficiant / most op build of the league which replaces the boring level 90 - 100 grind
- The first to reach level 100 can still be rewarded with a unique price

I think this would make finalizing characters way more enjoyable but also give everyone a big incentive to keep theory crafting, rerolling, playing great builds with nice rewards for anyone who wants to be competitive threwout the league.

100 was never meant to be achievable if you truly desire for 100 be prepared to enter hell.

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I_NO a écrit :

... if you truly desire for 100 be prepared to enter hell.

So you agree that levelling from 90 to 100 is not enjoyable - but rather masochistic ?

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I_NO a écrit :

100 was never meant to be achievable...

Which doesnt imply that the game cant be improved increasing the total playtime of players due to better incentives to keep playing and more playtime most likely resulting in more revenues.

Great!

Next on late 2016:Level cap too easy,GGG please make the max level 120

Late on 2017:GGG,please raise the cap to 140.....

Late on 2060 after nuclear apocalypse:GGG i can take the whole tree with all the points,i get after level 1500,better off going eating real humans instead...

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elwindakos a écrit :

Great!

Next on late 2016:Level cap too easy,GGG please make the max level 120

Late on 2017:GGG,please raise the cap to 140.....

Late on 2060 after nuclear apocalypse:GGG i can take the whole tree with all the points,i get after level 1500,better off going eating real humans instead...

So your argument against an improvement is that it might be followed by a deterioration ? What about contradicting the deterioration then ? I would do so. Level 100 should never be exceeded.

Builds can reach level 100 - the time it takes wont change that fact. Those who reached it by now dont ask for raising the level limit what makes you believe others will do - pure speculation.

Furthermore it shouldnt be fast to level to 100 just less masochistic.

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elwindakos a écrit :

Great!

Next on late 2016:Level cap too easy,GGG please make the max level 120

Late on 2017:GGG,please raise the cap to 140.....

Late on 2060 after nuclear apocalypse:GGG i can take the whole tree with all the points,i get after level 1500,better off going eating real humans instead...

So your argument against an improvement is that it might be followed by a deterioration ? What about contradicting the deterioration then ? I would do so. Level 100 should never be exceeded.

Builds can reach level 100 - the time it takes wont change that fact. Those who reached it by now dont ask for raising the level limit what makes you believe others will do - pure speculation.

Furthermore it shouldnt be fast to level to 100 but less masochistic.

I wouldnt.Check how D3 is curerently.Its only natural to ask for more when you reach the end faster.
And what is there to hunt if you reach the end in no time?Builds?You will make as many till you get bored then toss it alltogether when the 100 is simple enough and any build can get 123 points being potentially overpowered.

You think is masohistic.I think of it as smart move.

And as natural,you will ask for more,why wouldnt you?The above scenario is realistic as fk.Zombies included.

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elwindakos a écrit :

And what is there to hunt if you reach the end in no time?Builds?You will make as many till you get bored then toss it alltogether when the 100 is simple enough and any build can get 123 points being potentially overpowered.

So you say that what will happpen is what already happens ? I got a dozen builds to 90. Overpowered for the poor map drops. Not powerful enough to do Uber. So I will stop playing instead of going for 100 because that is just masochistic. Even more so - I did so many builds, without reaching level 100 and Uber state that the non existance of level 90 end game content strikes me - again. So I am seriously considering not playing next league at all because there is no point. The very few end game content is inaccssible. This league had the advantage of huge changes and Perandus. Next league will be back at trash tier loot, no big changes and no end game content for level 90 as always - not even easy Gorge and Plateau accesibility. "Worst case" for me : I will have to play for two weeks to get the free mtx ( I seriously hope there wont be free MTX so I can skip the next league(s) - so much the game starts to bore me ).

( Plus the level is not related to a character's OPness - I could grind Uber with a boring level 90 SRS build, or with my lvl 90 Voltaxic builds - however to do it with my prefered Varunastra Earthquaker in an enjoyable way I would need the extra levels ... ) - Meaning - the most OP builds are already OP at level 90 not 100.

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elwindakos a écrit :

And what is there to hunt if you reach the end in no time?Builds?You will make as many till you get bored then toss it alltogether when the 100 is simple enough and any build can get 123 points being potentially overpowered.

So you say that what will happpen is what already happens ? I got a dozen builds to 90. Overpowered for the poor map drops. Not powerful enough to do Uber. So I will stop playing instead of going for 100 because that is just masochistic. Even more so - I did so many builds, without reaching level 100 and Uber state that the non existance of level 90 end game content strikes me - again. So I am seriously considering not playing next league at all because there is no point. The very few end game content is inaccssible. This league had the advantage of huge changes and Perandus. Next league will be back at trash tier loot, no big changes and no end game content for level 90 as always - not even easy Gorge and Plateau accesibility. "Worst case" for me : I will have to play for two weeks to get the free mtx ( I seriously hope there wont be free MTX so I can skip the next league(s) - so much the game starts to bore me ).

As i said and you didnt counter this argument,D3 had T5.They asked for more till T10.Now its T10.Guess what.They ask for more till t15.Just wait for it....

Its only natuaral,when you reach the endgame faster and become less of a chore,that you would normally wouldnt play it More,but less.(And we know how this multipliers works in PoE.)

I say,that if you wanted to build your chars to 100 you would make with the same logic all your characters now 90 level.But again you would ask for more.Slippery slope that path is.

Also i like your prognosis and how the next league wont contribute anything to the game,as completely shown from the past leagues.REally,really good arguments there....................

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elwindakos a écrit :

Also i like your prognosis and how the next league wont contribute anything to the game,as completely shown from the past leagues.REally,really good arguments there....................

The Prognosis is based on Chris' statements - there won't be loot at Perandus scale and there wont be base game changes of the scale of Ascendancy. No need for a crystal ball when being smart. Nothing to justify recreating the same builds since years again with slight changes.

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elwindakos a écrit :

As i said and you didnt counter this argument,D3 had T5.They asked for more till T10.Now its T10.Guess what.They ask for more till t15.Just wait for it....

I barely see anything bad with Diablo 3... it has a permanent progression ( beyond finalizing a build ), it has endgame content, it has loot - the only bad thing about it is its simplistic build complexetiy.

I most likely would rather play D3 over PoE including its level and Paragon system - if it only had PoE's build complexetiy.

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elwindakos a écrit :

Also i like your prognosis and how the next league wont contribute anything to the game,as completely shown from the past leagues.REally,really good arguments there....................

The Prognosis is based on Chris' statements - there won't be loot at Perandus scale and there wont be base game changes of the scale of Ascendancy. No need for a crystal ball when being smart. But comparing D3 to PoE is a bit far fetched IMHO - plus I most likely would play D3 over PoE including its level and Paragon system - if it only had PoE's complexetiy.

So I dont see anything bad with Diablo 3...

I know that perandus will be gone,you wouldnt know though what the next league could offer.

I compared D3 and PoE on the premise of the "leveling stuff" not the complexity or anything else and what the mentality of the masses is.So,by this logic,the above scenario is realistic as fk.You WILL continue to ask for more after you reach 100,you know it(even deeep in you),they know it(Thank god),everyone with some brain matter knows it(hopefully,everyone).

And for every opinion you might have,i can point you to an exact different one with videos and discussions on why reaching easily now level 90 is a bad thing,not 100,just 90.

And when lvl100 is something that nolifers can achieve in a weeks time,i think its fine.

I just saw your edit.So you saying D3's pointless endless game progression as knows as infinite GR's is a good thing?I am out of here,make your points being heard,i wont be bother posting in this thread again