how to get rid of d2jsp, or at least lower its usage a lot

tldr part, not necessary to read unless you are a poe mod:

everyone that had played d2 (and most poe players did), has at some point been practically forced to use jsp for d2 trading. it was simply better than the usual d2 trading. the downside was that it was abused for rmt by many people, starting with the owner of jsp himself. shops also made profit of the thing, which led to poe mods stating that d2jsp is considered rmt and as such, bannable.

and i understand that. if someone sells poe items for money and whatever, i dont care, ban the f*cker, he deserved it. but i have a better idea how to solve the problem, which has perhaps been suggested at some point, but maybe i can offer more insight to it.

i used jsp for d2, it was necessary and not against any rules. then i got scared and didnt use for poe because it was bannable, but i dont think thats the right way to deal with the things. heres how jsp functions: you have 5% of people that abuse it to cash in, people who should be banned, but never actually do because they have enough accounts to get banned daily until 2026 -.- banning them makes no sense because they lose nothing. however, most of the players do one thing and one thing alone: play a league start, get currency, sell for fg (forum gold, jsp currency), then use the fg to buy currency on standard. of course an exalt orb is worth much more in jsp relative currency on the start of a temp league, than on std. and this is where it might be possible to do something.

/end of tldr lol

if in theory you poe guys could make something like a cross-realm trade, it would literally eliminate at least 80% of poe users from anything jsp related. you dont want those banned anyway, because even though they are breaking poe terms of use, they imo arent doing anything immoral. just give them a way to cross-realm trade, for example somehow allow people to make a trade for example "selling 1 ex on talisman vs 5 on std". that would eliminate most of the players from ever touching jsp, eliminate the retarded and immoral blackmail threads that i know exist (example: "i know you used jsp, give me a mirror or i report"), and when the majority of players stops using jsp, the rmt'ers wont be able to sell anything because there will be no one to sell to!

the whole reason for temp leagues is a fresh start/fresh economy... x-league trading just undermines this completely giving players an advantage if they are already rich in standard. fight cheating by allowing the cheat isn't the best solution imo...

fighting maphacks by adding all advantages to the game?
fighting chicken-scripts by auto-logout if player has low hp?

tldr: no x-league trading between perm&temp thx

Trading between temp and permanent is banabble all on its own.

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kcstar a écrit :

the whole reason for temp leagues is a fresh start/fresh economy... x-league trading just undermines this completely giving players an advantage if they are already rich in standard. fight cheating by allowing the cheat isn't the best solution imo...

fighting maphacks by adding all advantages to the game?
fighting chicken-scripts by auto-logout if player has low hp?

tldr: no x-league trading between perm&temp thx

is this honestly the same for you?

also people who are rich in standard will either do it this way, or use jsp for it. thats the reason jsp is used as i said. there is absolutely NOTHING you can do to stop it, so you might as well enable cross-realm trade.

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ScrotieMcB a écrit :

Trading between temp and permanent is banabble all on its own.

its bannable because it involves using jsp. anyway i was just offering a solution, you can accept it or not. but ggg cant change anything about people being able to cross-realm trade, so they might as well take charge. as lenin said, if you want to control the opposition, you should lead it yourself

edit: but yeah, i understand ggg basically has to choose the lesser of two evils, so...yeah

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hideouts a écrit :

is this honestly the same for you?

also people who are rich in standard will either do it this way, or use jsp for it. thats the reason jsp is used as i said. there is absolutely NOTHING you can do to stop it, so you might as well enable cross-realm trade.

cheating is cheating... there is no "half-cheating" or "minor cheating".
the argument "you can't do anything against" goes for chicken scripts and other forms of cheating too, if that's your only argument then I think you have none...

isn't D2JSP that site where you can buy stuff for "gold" obtained with cash?

in that case it qualifies as an RMT site in my book, and I agree with both Scrotie and GGG's current stance: ban the fuck out of anyone caught using it, and catch then ban anyone who isn't caught yet.
and not just this site, but any other site of that sort.

RMT isn't simply cheating. you can cheat and/or gain advantages in a temporary league without it.
RMT is a "get the fuck out of my game" tier offense for GGG, and I support them completely in that.

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hideouts a écrit :

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ScrotieMcB a écrit :

Trading between temp and permanent is banabble all on its own.

its bannable because it involves using jsp.

No, it's banable completely on its own. Even with no real money or third-party digital currency involved. For reasons entirely separate from the separate prohibition against trading with third-party currencies.

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kcstar a écrit :

cheating is cheating... there is no "half-cheating" or "minor cheating".
the argument "you can't do anything against" goes for chicken scripts and other forms of cheating too, if that's your only argument then I think you have none...

the differences are:

1) moral one, i see nothing morally wrong with cross realm trading, while its much more "wrong" to use hacks. so yes theres "minor cheating", same as there are white lies and black lies. its not the same to steal 10$ and to shoot someone and should not be punished in the same way

2) the fact that hacks can be detected, while jsp cant. its pretty safe to use as long as you dont make a retarded mistake, and the richest players dont make that kind of mistakes. by banning jsp use, you will just catch the smallest fish, while the big one will profit much more than you imagine. basically YOU are the one that has only one argument, and that is that encouraging cross-realm trading will encourage the people to do it. its pretty much just a question what % of rich standard players does it anyway, and i think that % is too damn high

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johnKeys a écrit :

isn't D2JSP that site where you can buy stuff for "gold" obtained with cash?

in that case it qualifies as an RMT site in my book, and I agree with both Scrotie and GGG's current stance: ban the fuck out of anyone caught using it, and catch then ban anyone who isn't caught yet.
and not just this site, but any other site of that sort.

RMT isn't simply cheating. you can cheat and/or gain advantages in a temporary league without it.
RMT is a "get the fuck out of my game" tier offense for GGG, and I support them completely in that.

rmt SHOULD be bannable, i am up for that and thats how it should be done. the thing is that most people using jsp dont even rmt, they just cross-realm trade. so my idea was to simply detach those cross-traders, who are the vast majority, from the real rmters. then the rmters would have no market as they do now

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ScrotieMcB a écrit :

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hideouts a écrit :

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ScrotieMcB a écrit :

Trading between temp and permanent is banabble all on its own.

its bannable because it involves using jsp.

No, it's banable completely on its own. Even with no real money or third-party digital currency involved. For reasons entirely separate from the separate prohibition against trading with third-party currencies.

so what would those reasons be? do you even know? im sure you have a link to give me that explains the wrongness of cross-trading!

sadly, RMTers will always have a market.
and cross-league traders will not stop cross-league trading, even if we go full USA and bomb the server hosting D2JSP (and a couple other sites like it).

but the solution isn't to "legalize" it man.
quite the opposite.
Chris' silver hammer of banning, stands ready.

Also: let's say I go to the casino. A casino, by the way, is a place where people can buy these things called "chips" for money, use the chips to gamble, then when they're done convert the chips back into money.

Anyway, while I'm at the casino I run into an old friend, who decides to gift me a $10 chip. I'm not interested in gambling, though, so I grab a light snack and a soda at the bar. I forgot my wallet, but a stranger behind me at the register says he'll cover me if I give him the $10 chip. So I do.

The entire time, I never traded chips directly for money; I got a chip for previous awesomeness, and traded it away for overpriced bar snacks. But does that mean a casino chip isn't equivalent to real money?