Difference between Streamers and RMT?

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Aim_Deep a écrit :

Who says streamer is exchanging his time for items? It happens to be sure but not with all not to the same degree and that was probably not even their motivation in the first place (to get free gears).

OP says. I am just arguing based on his premise. If OP talks about streamers getting items for free I am assuming he talks not about every streamer who has ever streamed, streams currently or will ever stream, but about specific streamers. And besides, I can repeat my comparison as well. Who says every person that works will buy items for Real Money?

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Snorkle_uk a écrit :

well, heres the difference, the difference is that people really do RMT, and the whole thing with streamers being given items and currency is just some bullshit that people have made up that isnt true. Thats where the difference is, I agree with what ur saying, and so do the streamers, thats why they dont take tons of freebees from their viewers. Theres 1 or 2 guys that I have seen taking stuff in all the time Ive been watching streams and all the other streams called them out and shamed them.

Sure, never said ppl would not RMT; wouldn´t be an issue if noone did it. Same goes for the streamer thing because this is most definitely not the first time this topic is discussed here. And sure, most streamers are probably not taking freebies. But there are other things. Back in the days when Kripparrian was streaming PoE I was watching his stream from time to time and although he did not take free stuff very often he had other advantages. Due to having a pretty big audience that also played PoE he often could ask for a trade and find someone to buy his stuff or sell him certain things within seconds or minutes. If he needed fuses he got several hundred ppl selling him at once even in small amounts while he just stood in Lioneyes watch or Sarn and spammed orbs. He had an information advantage that resulted directly from streaming. And no, I am not debating that this advantage is unfair. I just don´t see a real difference for why getting an in-game advantage through any random work you do in Real Life is bad and ban-worthy while getting an in-game advantage through streaming that very game is legit. I think it is ok, I´d rather watch a streamer who does well in the game than someone who is as bad and poor as me, but from the premise OP makes there is not that much difference.


regards

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I_NO a écrit :

hmm..

Web cam

I see profits

*evil smile

Aren't you a girl? If you put a makeup and start streaming you'll be swimming in currency (both POE and IRL dosh) in a week.

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Snorkle_uk a écrit :

*sip*

You're delusional if you really believe that etup spent a single day using tradechat to buy currency or tracking warbands through /global 710 (for challenges and stuff).

But hey, dickriding is freeeeee.

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i8037 a écrit :

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Snorkle_uk a écrit :

*sip*

You're delusional if you really believe that etup spent a single day using tradechat to buy currency or tracking warbands through /global 710 (for challenges and stuff).

You are getting it wrong.

He has viewers/listeners because he is number 1.
He can skip trade chat because he has viewers because he is number 1.

To do this, you need to be a very good and dedicated player.
Thinking he has success because he got helped is just stupid.
He's getting helped because he has success.

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Peterlerock a écrit :

He can skip trade chat because he has viewers because he is number 1.

That's the point.

A streamer can skip trade chat because he says "uhh I need frags" and have a myriad of dickriders throwing currency at him.

People who RMT skips trade chat too, but pays for it. Somehow the first one is a legitimate tactic to reach top ladder while the latter is a garanteed witch hunt on reddit.

Also, keep in mind that I'm not encouraging RMT by any means, I'm just saying that both share the same reason and provides the same results: to speed your leveling process with an (un)fair advantage.

Funny thing: etup got a Mjolner for free on Beyond (only paid the guy later in the league) and got a Headhunter on Tempest (he only paid the guy after 100), so... yeah.

There's a slight difference between "getting quick trades without trade chat" and "dickriders throwing currency".
And the difference is not only that the second one is in rude language.

And:
RMT is banned. Giveaways are not.
That's all you need to know.
There's no reason to further investigate if this in unfair or not, it's just how it is. You are not supposed to spend real money on items/currency, but you are encouraged to trade, give and receive items.

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Azdrubel a écrit :

Sure, never said ppl would not RMT; wouldn´t be an issue if noone did it. Same goes for the streamer thing because this is most definitely not the first time this topic is discussed here. And sure, most streamers are probably not taking freebies. But there are other things. Back in the days when Kripparrian was streaming PoE I was watching his stream from time to time and although he did not take free stuff very often he had other advantages. Due to having a pretty big audience that also played PoE he often could ask for a trade and find someone to buy his stuff or sell him certain things within seconds or minutes. If he needed fuses he got several hundred ppl selling him at once even in small amounts while he just stood in Lioneyes watch or Sarn and spammed orbs. He had an information advantage that resulted directly from streaming. And no, I am not debating that this advantage is unfair. I just don´t see a real difference for why getting an in-game advantage through any random work you do in Real Life is bad and ban-worthy while getting an in-game advantage through streaming that very game is legit. I think it is ok, I´d rather watch a streamer who does well in the game than someone who is as bad and poor as me, but from the premise OP makes there is not that much difference.


regards

oh ya, absolutely. He has a lot of friends and lots of viewers and that saves him loads of time and opens opportunities for him. I mean, thats not just a streamer thing, if Foxtactics needs regrets he could ask his stream chat for someone to sell him regrets... but he doesnt, because its easier for him to type that in guild chat and a few people in our guild will say yeah guild stash 1 and bam, he has regrets. Foxtactics doesnt give a shit about standard league, so sometimes I might just give him regrets for free, but at the end of the day that 40 exalt sceptre he has on his witch, when that gets to softcore its gonna end up in my stash. Does everyone have that advantage? No, thats our guild we work together were there for each other, if fox is running atziri I might be feeding him midnights Im farming for free, and when those midnights eventually turn into acuities Im getting a pair for free, thats how we roll.

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i8037 a écrit :

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Peterlerock a écrit :

He can skip trade chat because he has viewers because he is number 1.

That's the point.

A streamer can skip trade chat because he says "uhh I need frags" and have a myriad of dickriders throwing currency at him.

People who RMT skips trade chat too, but pays for it. Somehow the first one is a legitimate tactic to reach top ladder while the latter is a garanteed witch hunt on reddit.

Also, keep in mind that I'm not encouraging RMT by any means, I'm just saying that both share the same reason and provides the same results: to speed your leveling process with an (un)fair advantage.

Funny thing: etup got a Mjolner for free on Beyond (only paid the guy later in the league) and got a Headhunter on Tempest (he only paid the guy after 100), so... yeah.

no thats not the point, thats a completely separate and trivial point you have just pretended this conversation is about, which its not.

People who RMT skip trade chat by illegally paying real money for in game items. Streamers, people with large guilds, people with a lot of friends etc skip trade chat by making legal, legit trades with players they have contact with. If you cant see the difference in that then you are pretty special mate.

Etup got a free mjolner!!!!1 (btw he paid for it) Etup got a free headhunter!!!! (btw he paid for it).... right so it wasnt free then was it so... yeah, you have absolutely no point.

In ambush I gave foxtactics 1000 chaos orbs and a bunch of exalts/regrets for every piece of gear he was wearing, and the deal was he could borrow the gear until the end of the league. I got a Disfavour off a guy in our guild and I paid him for it a few weeks later when I had the orbs. This is called lending people stuff, I lent foxtactics gear for a league, Mack lent me a disfavour till I could afford to pay him for it. Lending something to a friend in game and buying orbs from a bot farm with real money are very, very different things. Im not a streamer, I have a lot of people on my friends list and an active guild so I have access to the same advantages as a result. Its not against terms of service to have friends.

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Peterlerock a écrit :

You are getting it wrong.

He has viewers/listeners because he is number 1.
He can skip trade chat because he has viewers because he is number 1.

ya exactly peter, people do this with HvR too, ohhh HvR is only number 1 on the ladder because he streams and that gives him all these advantages etc... Well why did HvR start streaming? To get these advantages? No, HvR started streaming because he was the number 1 ranked player in softcore pushing for world first ever PoE lvl100. He was number 1 first and thats why he streamed, not the other way around. Etup was the number 1 ranked player in hc, thats why he streamed and became really successful, because he was already number 1.


Obviously those are facts that dont play into certain peoples insecurity issues, sry but youre going to have to make yourself feel better about yourself by going and hating on some other bullshit you just made up.

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Peterlerock a écrit :

There's a slight difference between "getting quick trades without trade chat" and "dickriders throwing currency".

Yeah, and etup got a Mjolner and a Headhunter for F R E E, on the first month of the league (when those items costs a ton).

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Peterlerock a écrit :

RMT is banned. Giveaways are not.
That's all you need to know.

I know, I simply don't care if someone is getting currency via streamer priviledge or paying for it.

I don't hate etup. In fact, I was watching his stream most of the time. I also don't hate people on top ladder who bought exalts/mjolners with dollars. What I really dislike here is the fact this community is so biased using the grey area to either praise someone as "teh best player evah xDDD" or "name and shame" them on reddit.

Its a neverending circle. You will be at the top because you are supported by viewers and you will be viewed because you are at the top. Like with dat recently banned Pe1a guy, who used viewbots long enough to make actual people to come to watch him.

Like some guy said - Path of Exile is the only game when you have more chances to be banned for talking about cheating than for cheating itself.

If you will make a video of how you sell orbs for cash to a streamer there is a high chance that he walks free but you will surely end up being banned.

I understand that GGG needs this free promotion but its getting out of hand.

Leagues are about competition. But there can not be any competition because you can not compete with streamers.