Difference between Streamers and RMT?

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i8037 a écrit :

That's why ladder in this game is always rigged. You always have people getting free stuff, from viewers to RMT. And POE is not about skill but time invested.

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Kythers a écrit :

So if a friend gives me an item it's RMT?

There's no money exchange at all, if you want to give your items to someone for free who cares

If I pay a burger for my friend and ask a couple of chaos in return, does it count as RMT?

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Aim_Deep a écrit :

Streamers work their butts off in game entertaining and educating their viewers. Just the opposite of pay to play RMT where one can buy GG gear by not playing at all and just pull out credit card. Not to mention one is paying while the other gets free shit as donations by their Kingmakers/viewers.

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Azdrubel a écrit :

Hello OP,

I cannot agree with the majority of ppl here, your argument is not stupid, but it is pointless and futile. [Removed by Support]

Most ppl here have no problem with items being exchanged for "work" (with the intent to entertain) but if we exchange work for money and that very money for items then "OOOOOOH, that is evil and bad!" -> get banned, cheater-scum!!

The difference is moral in nature and thus based on a point of view and not on facts. GGG draws an arbitrary line to separate the Real World from the gaming world. They aren´t the first to do that and they won´t be the last. And we, the gaming-society, are accustomed to this pratice and defend it without really thinking about it because it is part of our pseudo-mediocratic ideology, that ppl in games should be rewarded for what they achieve in games and not in the Real World. There are several problems with such a mindset in a multiplayer game though, because the players are still part of the Real World at the end of the day. Let me clarify this point:

What for example if I always invited my friends over to my house, served them drinks and food and I always paid our bills when we go out. In PoE though they always hand me items and currency because I am unlucky AND lazy. Would there, in essence, be a real difference to RMT?! What if I owned a business and my employees are allowed to play PoE on the workplace because I like the game and play myself as well. Because my employees expect to be rewarded with better payment they hand me over most valuable items they find. Any difference to RMT? What if I am a girl and give my boyfriend a blowjob whenever I need a good item he just found? Again, any difference? And if my friends are only my friends and my girlfriend is just my girlfriend and I hand them items and currency just because I have them and they dont and all I expect is that such an act might tighten our friendship or relationship?
Now let me describe a situation that actually happened to me:
I played a lot of PoE with my girlfriend. One day she saw the Black Cat Pet in the shop and was talking the whole day about how cute that thing is. So, when her birthday approached about two months later (both of us still having fun with the game) I contacted GGG support for a way to buy points OR specifically the pet for her account. It was not possible, support didn´t find a way to ensure that my girlfriend is actually my girlfriend and we only played together for fun. They could not verify that my request was not an attempt to RMT. So GGG declined. Sure, I could have given her the money to buy points herself and there would have been no way to verify on GGGs end that this was NOT RMT as well. Instead I invited her to go to a luxorious Spa. Because I wanted to gift her a black cat pet and not money. As that was not possible I spent my money differently.

You see? The line where RMT begins is arbitrarily drawn. There is no point arguing.


regards


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@Charan:

I totally agree. Helping is great and part of the social experience of a good multiplayer game.
All I am saying is that the line is basically drawn at random ("fitting, isn´t it? Apt, apt, apt"). We decided money is a no-go and we don´t look too closely at all the grey areas, because the unspeakable horror of relativism and doubt is lurking in those shadows.

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Azdrubel a écrit :

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Aim_Deep a écrit :

Streamers work their butts off in game entertaining and educating their viewers. Just the opposite of pay to play RMT where one can buy GG gear by not playing at all and just pull out credit card. Not to mention one is paying while the other gets free shit as donations by their Kingmakers/viewers.

Ok, so this distinction has been made by different ppl now, I think OP gets it.

But please elaborate, why exactly is the one where you exchange work (streaming) for items better than the other where you exchange work for money for items? Does the act of skipping the money-part possess an inherent redeeming quality? Or does skipping money always make you a good guy? Have to tell that to a local car dealer, maybe he/she agrees^^

idk, the whole "streamers are hard-working people, they deserve to be thrown lootz at" isn´t really convincing, constant repetition does not change that.

You cannot argue this topic logically! It is a moral thing. Buying in-game stuff for real money is against the rules, period! Now follow the rules, because if you think about them they don´t make too much sense. And that goes not only for the RMT stuff...


regards

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@Aim_deep below this:

Yes, exactly my point. I don´t have a problem "getting it" as you so eloquently stated. But I have a problem with ppl trying to convince OP logically from something that cannot be argued with logic and at the same time treating him as if he was mentally challenged. He is not, he asked a completely logical question but it is one of the question where you cannot give a definite answer to. And no, I have no idea where to draw the line and I don´t do it. I play by the rules and try my best to not even break any unwritten ones...

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Domah a écrit :

It's amazing to see people says "streamers are good players, they are on the top, that's why people follow them and give them items and currencies"

nah dude, they are on the top because they have free items and currencies.

It's like Etup on tempest, this guy have everything he needs to up because he has many followers who give him items.

He grind to lvl 100 easy, because he had support curse char in his party and some incinerates boys to do the hard content for him, he had many viewers who gave him huge amount of currencies.

[Removed by Support]

When you see, in like, 3-4 days, he had already a taste of hate, 5L LC (6L 2 days later) a 650+ PDPS 2H axe, a headunter some days later (now he has two headhunter)

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Domah a écrit :

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Iboga a écrit :

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Domah a écrit :

When you see, in like, 3-4 days, he had already a taste of hate, 5L LC (6L 2 days later) a 650+ PDPS 2H axe, a headunter some days later (now he has two headhunter)

He bought the Taste of hate from a guildie and found the LC.
Haters be hateing cause they can't farm a bit and don't have friends in this game.

dude, at the release of warbands, i was lvl 80 in like 3 days, i farm like hell, tons of maps, 10h+ a day.

2 weeks later, i didn't had the currencies for LC, taste of hate, huge PDPS axe, and i never found anything worth more than 2EX.

so yeah, when you have 1 headhunter, full stuff and so in only one week. just lel dude.

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Azdrubel a écrit :

But please elaborate, why exactly is the one where you exchange work (streaming) for items better than the other where you exchange work for money for items? Does the act of skipping the money-part possess an inherent redeeming quality? Or does skipping money always make you a good guy? Have to tell that to a local car dealer, maybe he/she agrees^^

idk, the whole "streamers are hard-working people, they deserve to be thrown lootz at" isn´t really convincing, constant repetition does not change that.

You cannot argue this topic logically! It is a moral thing. Buying in-game stuff for real money is against the rules, period! Now follow the rules, because if you think about them they don´t make too much sense. And that goes not only for the RMT stuff...

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Xavderion a écrit :

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i8037 a écrit :

That's why ladder in this game is always rigged. You always have people getting free stuff, from viewers to RMT. And POE is not about skill but time invested.

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Kythers a écrit :

So if a friend gives me an item it's RMT?

There's no money exchange at all, if you want to give your items to someone for free who cares

If I pay a burger for my friend and ask a couple of chaos in return, does it count as RMT?

Of course, it's an exchange after all.