CASUALS can't get profit from actual gaming

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50ShadesOfAutism#4419 a écrit :

The game is essentially braindead.

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tzaeru#0912 a écrit :

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50ShadesOfAutism#4419 a écrit :

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Nyon#6673 a écrit :

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Dude it's all RNG, what effort? lol

And yes, the majority of gameplay mechanics and items should be available to all players. Right now, almost none of the truly end-game stuff is seen by players. Somewhat deterministic crafting, cool uniques that are actually useful, etc. Leave a few for the super nerds, but most (not all!) should be accessible for everyone.

Crafting can be somewhat deterministic, with how deterministic depending a lot on the specifics. In some cases you can guarantee that you get for example some chaos resistance.

I would imagine that via the league mechanics, more of partially deterministic crafting methods are going to be added.

SSF players routinely end up with gear that has mostly useful and needed mods by level 90.

I'm not sure what the truly end-game stuff is. If you mean like, Headhunter or Atziri's Disdain or Ingenuity or such, then sure, it's entirely possible to play several leagues with solid builds and solid farming strategies and not see them. For example, right now, out of the 175 characters on poe.ninjas HCSSF list, 5 are wearing Headhunter, compared to 51 out of 652 on the HC list. About three time proportional difference.

But to many builds, those items start to be pretty much the best they can get.

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DistributedAutomaton#5739 a écrit :

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50ShadesOfAutism#4419 a écrit :

The game is essentially braindead.

This explains why you're having trouble.

I'll give you one example. You know the Build Showcase GGG just posted? The Djinn Summoner that clears screens by exploding chilled ground? You can get something almost as good, for much cheaper, by spectering Experimental Boars.

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Hubert#4734 a écrit :

Try playing 2h a day, doing all content cos doing one thing over and over is too boring for normal person and then we will talk about good profit in game.

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50ShadesOfAutism#4419 a écrit :

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tzaeru#0912 a écrit :

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Crafting right now is essentially an inverse casino. In a real casino sometimes you lose, sometimes you win. If you do not engage with the completely garbage mechanics (slot machines), and instead, for example, you play poker, then you might feel that it is somewhat skill based. Which is not wrong, but the game is rigged in the sense that if you play long enough, you will lose more than you win.

In both 0.3 and 0.4 you need a large starting capital and be prepared to lose some of it in the beginning. However, it's an inverse casino, because if you know what you are doing you will eventually make more currency than the amount you spend on crafting. The more you craft, the more the RNG will average itself out. So crafting is great for people who go through hundreds of divs per league and is borderline useless for people whose wealth never goes beyond a few dozen.

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50ShadesOfAutism#4419 a écrit :

Trouble as in not having fun? Or trouble as in struggling with my build? Because I just hit lvl95 this weekend and killed all pinnacles. I looked at the stuff I haven't touched and said nah, I won't run the same maps for weeks just to buy a unique charm or belt that is interesting for 5 minutes.

So I'm here on the forums, giving feedback. Because that't what this is called, "EA Feedback (from players)". After that I'm done with this league. If 0.5 doesn't have a completely reworked endgame, I'm skipping it. If you think it's just me thinking this way, you are in for a big surprise.

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tzaeru#0912 a écrit :

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50ShadesOfAutism#4419 a écrit :

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tzaeru#0912 a écrit :

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Crafting right now is essentially an inverse casino. In a real casino sometimes you lose, sometimes you win. If you do not engage with the completely garbage mechanics (slot machines), and instead, for example, you play poker, then you might feel that it is somewhat skill based. Which is not wrong, but the game is rigged in the sense that if you play long enough, you will lose more than you win.

In both 0.3 and 0.4 you need a large starting capital and be prepared to lose some of it in the beginning. However, it's an inverse casino, because if you know what you are doing you will eventually make more currency than the amount you spend on crafting. The more you craft, the more the RNG will average itself out. So crafting is great for people who go through hundreds of divs per league and is borderline useless for people whose wealth never goes beyond a few dozen.

Sorry, but that just isn't really the case.

The fact that it takes a week and SSF characters are routinely kitted up with decent gear sorta proves that. Not the best possible gear, obviously, but good gear nevertheless.

Like, here's a day 5 character that was on the bottom of the first page of poe.ninja results for HCSSF: https://poe.ninja/poe2/builds/vaalhcssf/character/LavaT1-5644

I play on trade HC. Last league, I only played about 100 hours. Then I ripped on a character that I had played past level 90, and quit for that league. I don't really like to specifically grind for currency or gear as such; I prefer to work towards the biggest bosses, try to push to as difficult content as I can, and then I call it quits. So I never have uber gear. But I def have uniques in use, including ones I've found myself, and while none of the gear I have might be worth more than ~2 divines a piece, on all the builds I've played that's been plenty enough to do the content I want to do. I didn't even die because of lackluster gear, but because one Abyss fissure managed to spawn so many monsters and so much VFX on my screen that my FPS died and I couldn't dodge or move properly. I don't have logging out in my instincts either, as I play with some personal "house rules" to make the game a bit harder and more interesting; one of them is to never log out or to pause the game, except if my patchy mobile net goes haywire. When respawning at checkpoint was still enabled in HC, I also had a rule of never using that. In PoE1, I had a rule that I am not allowed to set up a teleport out of the boss fight ahead of time; if I need to port out, I have to summon the teleport at that time.

There's lots of ways to semi-deterministically improve gear. For example, if you have a good helmet with availability in the suffixes, you can guarantee chaos res with Omen of the Sovereign.

If that fills your suffixes, you now know that the next exalt is gonna be a prefix (tho you could also do that with Omen of Sinistral Exaltation).

Greater Essences, Perfect Essences, are cheap and really helpful. You end up with three bad prefixes and really want max life, well slap an essence, it is guaranteed to remove one of the bad prefixes and add life. Then cross fingers and hope that Omen of Sinistral Annulment with Orb of Annulment removes one of the bad prefixes and not the essence one.

Crafting specific exact mod combinations with good rolls and high mod tiers does get very expensive and very time-consuming. But crafting ordinarily good stuff is possible without dozens of divs worth of currency.

Honestly, of any game I have ever played, PoE1 and 2 have by far the most skill needed in the crafting system (though you can of course use online calculators and stuff to decrease the requirement of knowledge). You can significantly improve the odds to be more in your favor by doing the right things in the right order.

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Moregaze#2933 a écrit :

Retention is the number one metric for any business to stay afloat.

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Moregaze#2933 a écrit :

Even in my contracting business, gaining new customers costs far more than someone who has already paid me 10k or more calling again and saying, whenever you are slow, just put me on your schedule. It is pretty idiotic to think player retention does not matter.

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Moregaze#2933 a écrit :

Either way, GGG sacrificed 10 years of growth for a declining starting player population in both games. Because they know better than the people putting 1000s of hours into their games since closed beta, guess they forgot most of their "trust me bro" decisions got pushed back by the community before Chris left... it would take a couple patches. Still, when they would finally relent, the game got better.