Faridun Prince made me relize just how bad your game is

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HunterDIII#1294 a écrit :

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Cronson042#3897 a écrit :

This just in you goons, MELEE HAS ALWAYS BEEN WEAKER IN THE ARPG GENRE


Going back to freaking Diablo I even, you want easy mode? Play sorc or rogue. You want a challenge, play the warrior. Diablo 2 same thing, along with basically every other ARPG.

Melee is supposed to be tougher, people do it cus they want the challenge and enjoy the fantasy. it is inherently more difficult NO MATTER WHAT given that you have to be close to mobs instead of far away.

This is like saying, "man rifles are so overpowered, we should just all go back to waging war with melee weapons."

There is a gauranteed risk factor in melee that range will never have, no amount of crying on the forums will change this, and IMO it isnt something that even needs a fix, thats just simply the way it is. It works the exact same way in real life, and it works the exact same way in the game. its practically physics.

``open player profiles, see that dudes dont even got to maven talking shit about melee in arpg´´

Closed and ignored

Melee is easy to balance. Take a look at David Brevik and his Marvel Heroes from the past.

Melee needs to have more agility, base movement speed and in built AOE into their skills.

That's how you balance melee

What does someones achivements in POE1 on someones profile have anything to do with the discussion?


Why are we ad hom attacking people based on something unrelated?

Think that is a an easy report for you.

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Mashgesture#2912 a écrit :

What does someones achivements in POE1 on someones profile have anything to do with the discussion?


Why are we ad hom attacking people based on something unrelated?

Think that is a an easy report for you.

Its simple see him other posts he talks like he is a poe 1 veteran.

If he dont even finished the other with on his claim is easier, how he can argue that poe 2 is okay lol


Its liking saying that you like Carpaccio but never had it in the first place.

Its way easier to talk shit when you dont know anything about it in the first place.

How an dude that never played maven mind game can say that oh its fine the way it is.

The devs should take the feedback from poe 1 player veterans since that are they who stick with the game at the end.

Im sorry to say but these are just terrible arguments that dont seam to have any logical sense behind them.

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Morghus#4174 a écrit :

One shots are bad design because they are built on forced learning through failure where there is no way to outplay it unless you know beforehand or watch a guide to know about guaranteed one shots or get lucky. A boss, and winning in general ought to be a matter of skill and ability/gear, not luck or special knowledge.

So having mechanics that force you to learn trough failure is a poor design choice inside a game that is supposed to be challenging?
Thats obviously nonsense, and even if it wasnt, what would the alternative be? The boss fight should provide zero challenge so it doesnt force you to learn anything?

Can you provide one example of a challenging game where this isnt the case?
Can you provide one example of what you think the alternative should be if your not supposed to learn trough failure? People should voluntarily signup for an online course before attempting the boss?

"no way to outplay"
You outplay it by avoiding it, either by positioning or dodging.
Thats like the textbook definition of outplaying.

"winning in general ought to be a matter of skill".
Your literally arguing against that. Having a mechanic that requires skill to avoid or dodge makes it a matter of skill. And how is it in any universe related to luck? The boss has a mechanic, it works the same everytime, if you avoid it you win, if you dont you lose. Luck or rng isnt involved.

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Morghus#4174 a écrit :

Like imagine if you beat a boss, and then its programmed to kill you right after you win out of the blue because "you are supposed to die at least once". Relying on one shots, design wise might as well be amateur, it means you've given up on actual good design and have to rely on being cheap.

Your first argument you just randomly inserted the word luck with no justification of how its related to rng or luck in any way, and now your making another argument based off of your own unjustified insertion of this "fact". This is called a strawman argument and unfortunetly they dont work very well.

What im trying to make you realise is that your problem isnt actually with one shots, its just that you dont want the game to be challenging.
You dont want to have to learn anything about the game, you dont want to die to skill related things. Which is fine you can have your opinion, but please dont make up nonsense to try and blame it on specific mechanics and defending it with stupid strawman arguments.

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HunterDIII#1294 a écrit :

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Hyperspacing#5593 a écrit :

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Koza83#5983 a écrit :

Made 3 builds so far
2 raged and 1 close up

both ranged classes the games a fucking cake walk like its not even funny , Goto melee and what a shit show, sure you can kill things but it takes 10 fucking years for your build to come online, Your slow as hell, theres a billion and a half floor effects + 1 shots off your screen .

than theres the bosses and fuck some of them like fairdun you dont even get to do damage too because your stuck running too them. Like fuck me ggg why not just remove it all together, Sure ive made a bs monk that flys around the map in 0.2 but thats abusing shit and the average build is just dogshit compared to playing anything else its that simple


for that you guys clearly have lost your way and its sad too see

IDK im running a melee character and the campaign was a cake walk

Can you post your build?

This dude dont even killed the pinacle bosses on poe 1

He don´t know what he is talking about.

Yes cause having killed the pinnacle bosses in a different game is somehow related to his knowledge of the campaign in this game.

High tier logic going on.

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Sumiku#4511 a écrit :

I completely agree. Being one shot directly goes against their "meaningful combat" dialogue they keep pushing. I genuinely don't understand what they want this game to be most of the time.

Im 100% convinced you dont understand what the words "meaningful" and "combat" means.

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HunterDIII#1294 a écrit :

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Mashgesture#2912 a écrit :

What does someones achivements in POE1 on someones profile have anything to do with the discussion?


Why are we ad hom attacking people based on something unrelated?

Think that is a an easy report for you.

Its simple see him other posts he talks like he is a poe 1 veteran.

If he dont even finished the other with on his claim is easier, how he can argue that poe 2 is okay lol


Its liking saying that you like Carpaccio but never had it in the first place.

Its way easier to talk shit when you dont know anything about it in the first place.

How an dude that never played maven mind game can say that oh its fine the way it is.

The devs should take the feedback from poe 1 player veterans since that are they who stick with the game at the end.

I thought I did but looking over i must have fought the other ones. So yeah, you got me for making a mistake and thinking I did. it doesn't even really matter cause at the end of the day it means nothing. It holds no bearing on my or any other people's ability to comment on a game that they are into now. I've been in EA since launch so Im just as much as a expert in POE 2 as you are genius.

and no they devs shouldn't take feedback just from the POE 1 player veterans because, I don't know if you noticed or not so this might be a shocker so hold on. This isn't POE 1...its 2 and they clearly are trying to capture a different audience.

I know you think you are the majority and you tell yourself all these things about how everyone hates this game but remind yourself that POE 2 has put up numbers that POE 1 has NEVER seen in its 10 years of existence. So clearly, what GGG is doing is working.

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Nyon#6673 a écrit :

Yes cause having killed the pinnacle bosses in a different game is somehow related to his knowledge of the campaign in this game.

High tier logic going on.

I don't think he is a serious person. He must be one of the guys who slayed in POE 1 and now that something can actually kill him other than a uber pinnacle boss he is faced with the reality that he isn't that good as he thought he was.

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IDK im running a melee character and the campaign was a cake walk

Can you post your build?[/quote]

This dude dont even killed the pinacle bosses on poe 1

He don´t know what he is talking about.[/quote]

Yes cause having killed the pinnacle bosses in a different game is somehow related to his knowledge of the campaign in this game.

High tier logic going on.[/quote]


What you going to relate to?

Killing uber Lilith on Diablo IV?

Uber aberroth in last epoch?

The ravager in Grim dawn?

Choose it, If a player lacks experience and we balance a game based on that, those who truly enjoy it will leave.

And so far, what the OP said is 100% true.

And the person who asked the question argued something that is apparently outside their area of ​​expertise, therefore it shouldn't even be taken into consideration.


My argument is, if he says it was a cakewalk or melee in Path of Exile 2, is simply that there's no information, and most of the people who usually defend that don't even have a character in the league and just troll on the forum.

IDK im running a melee character and the campaign was a cake walk

Can you post your build?[/quote]

This dude dont even killed the pinacle bosses on poe 1

He don´t know what he is talking about.[/quote]

Yes cause having killed the pinnacle bosses in a different game is somehow related to his knowledge of the campaign in this game.

High tier logic going on.[/quote]


What you going to relate to?

Killing uber Lilith on Diablo IV?

Uber aberroth in last epoch?

The ravager in Grim dawn?

Choose it, If a player lacks experience and we balance a game based on that, those who truly enjoy it will leave.

And so far, what the OP said is 100% true.

And the person who asked the question argued something that is apparently outside their area of ​​expertise, therefore it shouldn't even be taken into consideration.


My argument is, if he says it was a cakewalk or melee in Path of Exile 2, is simply that there's no information, and most of the people who usually defend that don't even have a character in the league and just troll on the forum.



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SO you can get experiece in POE 2 by playing other games but NOT POE 2. Got it. Real sound logic there buddy.

I literally posted my current build and Im in end game right now genius.