Faridun Prince made me relize just how bad your game is

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DistributedAutomaton#5739 a écrit :

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FruitLord#0833 a écrit :

The game is full of poor designs.

I disagree. The game is full of fantastic designs. Most of the complaints I see are training needs, because the solutions for the reported problems already exist. People just don't know about them.

^ talking about skill design. Performance is a separate topic.

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Morghus#4174 a écrit :

I don't think a boss where as a melee you can just eat instant oneshots with little to no telegraph or windup, both from proximity and coming from off-screen, is fantastic design.

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FruitLord#0833 a écrit :

Every thread is you asking for people to post their build. Waste of their time, you might as well just say "skill issue" since that is what you are really trying to say.

The game is full of poor designs. That's the point of all this feedback.

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tolandruth#6287 a écrit :

The game as a whole isn't bad. That said, you are totally correct that melee gets dumpstered early and late depending on what you are doing, and you are also totally correct that Faridun man is an anti-melee wall for plenty of melee class builds for no valid reason, to the point you would need an alt and a bunch of tweaks to farm up the stuff to get past it.

The basic issue is this - ranged classes have insane dps, and the utility, and the mobility, and easy minions, and easy access to energy shield without it feeling like a sacrifice or specialization, and lots of tools to enhance these things easily in their gem cuts early, and ascendancy options out the box.

Melee, if anything, should be the ones with insane DPS at least, because they have to risk way more to deal it. You have to understand far more enemy patterns and attacks, respect way more things, and waste more time evading. There are a lot of times the risk vs reward of melee is not rewarded. Hell, make a special dodge roll basic attack variant for all martial weapons so at least they can get some value from evading.

What goes over ranged player's heads is that Faridun man has gold tier physical resist, then also silver tier fire and lightning resist. His only weakness is ice. While of course there are ice melee builds, mace, quarterstaff, and spear all lean on lightning and fire far more often, especially early. Only the just now added Wolf has dedicated ice melee, and doing ice melee monk is a very specific build that plenty of monks don't want to do compared to other options. Mace is by default fire, only a player with experience and a plan is trying to part from that by act II. Lightning spear is bread and butter for spear in general, and bleed build is dedicated physical lol.

Therefore, Faridun craps on a huge majority of popular and obvious choices for all melee builds in the game, with a major HP and damage power spike unrelated to the mobs fought the entire act so far, while having excessive defenses against all their dps. The attack patterns are big enough to threaten all melee ranges but ranged characters can kite easily.

It is definitely a design blunder, they should rework the boss to be more evenly challenged with plenty of the recommended and intended starting builds for classes. It's going to be a meme on the 1.0 release when a flood of new players come in and get dunked on for following the obvious intended slant their skill gems limit them to early. It's ironic that melee has to theorycraft a specific counter or build change for Faridun after already needing to spend more time learning the game - but it does make you a better player.

I sympathize with your frustration OP, and it's spot on regarding the content in question - but it doesn't represent the whole game or make the whole thing bad. Just have a friend with ice damage come carry you in 15 seconds past it and remember how cringe that wrinkle in the progression design is next time so you can prepare accordingly.

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tolandruth#6287 a écrit :

What goes over ranged player's heads is that Faridun man has gold tier physical resist, then also silver tier fire and lightning resist. His only weakness is ice.

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FruitLord#0833 a écrit :

It isn't a problem with just this boss. All bosses are either a joke or they have poorly telegraphed one-shots. And/or many one-shots. If a boss relies on one-shots to be challenging then it is poor design.

Instead of fixing defenses and regen on players, they just add more bosses with one-shots.

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Hyperspacing#5593 a écrit :

ITs cause I bet a good portion of the people complaining right now have bad builds and somehow want to blame the game. Im asking to see the builds so I can help or others can help.

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Mashgesture#2912 a écrit :

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Hyperspacing#5593 a écrit :

ITs cause I bet a good portion of the people complaining right now have bad builds and somehow want to blame the game. Im asking to see the builds so I can help or others can help.

Not even a bet. Its a guarantee.



Post your melee build OP

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Hyperspacing#5593 a écrit :

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FruitLord#0833 a écrit :

Every thread is you asking for people to post their build. Waste of their time, you might as well just say "skill issue" since that is what you are really trying to say.

The game is full of poor designs. That's the point of all this feedback.

ITs cause I bet a good portion of the people complaining right now have bad builds and somehow want to blame the game. Im asking to see the builds so I can help or others can help.