Evasion level 1 to end game (after the evasion changes )

the thing about evasion is yes its not supposed to work 100% of the time
thats for sure but there must be some reliable dr to this setup but we recived a new stat called "Deflection" that is impossible to max
so u get a char that kinda rolls 2 dices if he lives or dies
HP pull on eva chars is super low since when u take hp u sacrifice evasion on gear (and deflection) .
there in conclusion-
u have a char that has on average from 1,6 to 2k hp whit unreliable defenses that pathetic compered to energy shield and armor
that kinda sucks ,zero stability
pure evasion classes are forced to go full glass canon whit some investment into evasion and deflection just to begin able to farm t15 maps and just die to bosses if they got hit by something,
because nothing helps u to survive a hit from a boss.
so if nothing helps u to survive a hit from a boss even whit investment ,why invest in it ?
u will take "enough" to run t15 maps and thats it
thats sounds kinda stupid to me , its not fun .
devs want to create meaningful combat and on the other hand all they do is create one shoot mechanis sprinkle it whit tens of ground effect whit zero screen clarity and thousands of maps whit aoe unavoidable attacks .
i dont think this "thing" is meaningful combat or engaging combat at all its ether u one tap the whole screen or anything that is on the screen will one tap u
thats the reality right now.

i'm also playing full evasion and the more i level up, currently 91, the more i realize why i cannot rely on evasion only.
There are too many thing going on to trust evasion only, i'm not going to evade every hit but i will necessarily be hit several times for each mob pack and those 3 or 4 hits out of 10 can potentially 1 shot.
Have to dodge a lot to evade and this make evasion even more useless.
The only way is EV/ES or even Armor/EV is better than pure evasion unless you hit 80+% evasion and very high deflect, because 70% EV and 60% is doing nothing lol

"Can evade all hits" got it, now tell me how much evasion i need to get close to that.

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IILU81II#8410 a écrit :

i'm also playing full evasion and the more i level up, currently 91, the more i realize why i cannot rely on evasion only.
There are too many thing going on to trust evasion only, i'm not going to evade every hit but i will necessarily be hit several times for each mob pack and those 3 or 4 hits out of 10 can potentially 1 shot.
Have to dodge a lot to evade and this make evasion even more useless.
The only way is EV/ES or even Armor/EV is better than pure evasion unless you hit 80+% evasion and very high deflect, because 70% EV and 60% is doing nothing lol

"Can evade all hits" got it, now tell me how much evasion i need to get close to that.

Oh believe me 82% evasion +82% deflect + 2k life there is no huge difference between 70%+70% +1700life
I will still get one tapped unless i instantly clear everything on the screen
A specially abyss and corrupted essences needless to mantion bosses

If you're not building your pure evasion character to even survive 1 non-boss attack, why even use evasion in the first place? Of course you're going to die, you have a small health pool so even deflection won't help you.

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SoFaux#7759 a écrit :

If you're not building your pure evasion character to even survive 1 non-boss attack, why even use evasion in the first place? Of course you're going to die, you have a small health pool so even deflection won't help you.

2k is low ?
3k is low?
I had both no difference in maps and no difference on bosses

Also whit 3k life i had to secrifice evasion so it went below 80%
And u still get one tapped by bosses
So where is the point ?
Bosses almost never miss and most their atks are aoe
Deflection is nice but rarely saves ur ass from boss hit its mostly useful for mapping
If u could reach 4k life ++ it could be very nice but not whit 2-3 k
And even then the 4 k life would be useless if u sacrificed evasion and deflection in order to get it
Dude hybrid eva+es one tapped very often whit 1.8 life + 4.5k es so how would the evasion survive?🤣
We need life nodes on our passive tree .

Glancing blows keystone will turn 80/80 to 50/98.. but that 98 also applies to non-evadable aoe spells/slams.

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Exiliest#5062 a écrit :

Glancing blows keystone will turn 80/80 to 50/98.. but that 98 also applies to non-evadable aoe spells/slams.

lets build evasion and then kill evasion to get more deflection ...brilliant...

I'm just telling you something I did that made my character tankier. But if your only goal is to be a whiner I guess nothing can help you.

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UnholyKirin#7925 a écrit :

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Exiliest#5062 a écrit :

Glancing blows keystone will turn 80/80 to 50/98.. but that 98 also applies to non-evadable aoe spells/slams.

lets build evasion and then kill evasion to get more deflection ...brilliant...

That's actually working way better than without, can confirm that, but also proves that pure evasion is useless.
It's like another acrobatics, you get less evasion but if deflection is high enough you have a guaranteed damage reduction.
Try it.

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UnholyKirin#7925 a écrit :

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SoFaux#7759 a écrit :

If you're not building your pure evasion character to even survive 1 non-boss attack, why even use evasion in the first place? Of course you're going to die, you have a small health pool so even deflection won't help you.

2k is low ?
3k is low?
I had both no difference in maps and no difference on bosses

Also whit 3k life i had to secrifice evasion so it went below 80%
And u still get one tapped by bosses
So where is the point ?
Bosses almost never miss and most their atks are aoe
Deflection is nice but rarely saves ur ass from boss hit its mostly useful for mapping
If u could reach 4k life ++ it could be very nice but not whit 2-3 k
And even then the 4 k life would be useless if u sacrificed evasion and deflection in order to get it
Dude hybrid eva+es one tapped very often whit 1.8 life + 4.5k es so how would the evasion survive?🤣
We need life nodes on our passive tree .

I don't know what to tell you. I don't die to boss attacks unless it's the telegraphed red attack which can't be evaded. I think this is good game design and frankly, builds with armour and ES should be one-tapped by these as well. Endgames that revolve around repeating story mobs and bosses ad infinitum means that eventually, everyone should be able to learn boss patterns and no-hit them every time. Either that, or kill them in 0.2 seconds. It's unfortunate that those builds can just sit there and tank even red attacks. Thankfully, these are easy to avoid. I can't say I die to non-red boss attacks at all with pure evasion.