Why is warrior getting nerfed?

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WeepingMoon05#4577 a écrit :

Wrong. It's projectile barrages was the most dangerous for the warrior on high maps. Go and try it out with 50% block right now, you will be shredded to pieces. If you die from AOE it's a skill issue cause you are blind and can't push buttons for reposition.

Using active block on juiced t17 is a meme, if AB isn't a part of skill. Have you even seen monster density in breach or ritual? There is no time to use active block like in action game, cause no time to pay attention for every animation telegraphed. You can do it in campaign, pretending playing soulslike, sure.

This is exactly my biggest fear. Shield was good as a passive tool exactly because it helped you not care for fast sequences of projectiles. The BIG hits you use active block. Noone uses active block against the fast small hits.

I will skip warrior.. and any class with shields after this change as shields became not worth using a whole hand for.

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AintCare#6513 a écrit :

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onetruelai#7327 a écrit :

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AintCare#6513 a écrit :

bro, no one dies in this game from small hits, its all KOs, arm doesn't do crap against KO

Ok go play deadeye or smth idk

another off topic comment? we can do better than that i think

OK. I mean "no one dies in this game from small hits" is just a ridiculous statement. People die from burts of small hits (500-) all the time. And if this is not true then i don't know why everyone's so upset with block changes, because as of now, most of the hits that are blockable are the small ones and we just went from 0% chance to block hits that actually kill you to 50%. Not to mention you can just active block them for 100% chance, just gotta watch your stun meter.

Now, idk how people manage to not reach even 10k armour on a titan. That's only possible if you don't take armour passives. And titan also have 50% more armour from body piece which is insane. You should have around 8k by the end of the campaign on SSF, and this is before scavenged plating. 20k is absolutely viable by mid-endgame.

Now, yes, we don't know how difficult it will be to reach 100% armour applied to elemental damage, but i think the piece they showed in the stream had 18% on it or something? I doubt this is the highest it can get. And yeah you probably won't have 100% until you have perfect gear but this is nothing new.

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Kozikuru#3127 a écrit :

It's '12' not '10' for the equation. With the correct multiplier of '12' your damage reduced by 0.45, not 0.5 -- so multiply the damage taken by 0.55. That means, in your example you'll take 275 damage (not 250).

It was 12 in 0.1. It is now 10.

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1. You assumed 100% of armour applies to elemental damage. That might not even be possible as you'd have to stack many sources of "armour applies to elemental" damage on your passive tree and on your gear affixes.

Yes i'm assuming perfect endgame gear. Which is an ok assumption to make because this is what you're gonna have for most of your playtime.

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2. You used 20,000 armour which is a very high value for PoE2 -- unless you're focusing on mirror-tier players. The average player isn't breaking 10,000 without leaning into +armour nodes heavily and having pretty decent gear.

The average player isn't breaking 10k because they don't invest in it because armour is bad because reddit says so. Yes, you need to pick those defensive layer nodes to benefit from it. Wow.

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3. You only used a 2000 point elemental hit which is a little low. Elemental hits tend to be much higher than physical hits because GGG assumes everyone is walking around with 75% resists at a minimum.

It's not low. It's what you'll get hit for by a fairly heavy-hitting blue mob in the endgame, unless of course you don't check your waystone stats for crazy damage mods.

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Urza_Mechwalker#7393 a écrit :

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WeepingMoon05#4577 a écrit :

Wrong. It's projectile barrages was the most dangerous for the warrior on high maps. Go and try it out with 50% block right now, you will be shredded to pieces. If you die from AOE it's a skill issue cause you are blind and can't push buttons for reposition.

Using active block on juiced t17 is a meme, if AB isn't a part of skill. Have you even seen monster density in breach or ritual? There is no time to use active block like in action game, cause no time to pay attention for every animation telegraphed. You can do it in campaign, pretending playing soulslike, sure.

This is exactly my biggest fear. Shield was good as a passive tool exactly because it helped you not care for fast sequences of projectiles. The BIG hits you use active block. Noone uses active block against the fast small hits.

I will skip warrior.. and any class with shields after this change as shields became not worth using a whole hand for.

Also i forgot about T4 simulacrum. Where you can't sit afk with rised shield unless you will use totems for clearing. You don't die from slams there, it's swarming mobs with "small" hits. You need tones of stun threshold if you are using resonating shield wich has inbuilt active block, cause either way you will get stunned and GG.

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onetruelai#7327 a écrit :

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Kozikuru#3127 a écrit :

It's '12' not '10' for the equation. With the correct multiplier of '12' your damage reduced by 0.45, not 0.5 -- so multiply the damage taken by 0.55. That means, in your example you'll take 275 damage (not 250).

It was 12 in 0.1. It is now 10.

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1. You assumed 100% of armour applies to elemental damage. That might not even be possible as you'd have to stack many sources of "armour applies to elemental" damage on your passive tree and on your gear affixes.

Yes i'm assuming perfect endgame gear. Which is an ok assumption to make because this is what you're gonna have for most of your playtime.

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2. You used 20,000 armour which is a very high value for PoE2 -- unless you're focusing on mirror-tier players. The average player isn't breaking 10,000 without leaning into +armour nodes heavily and having pretty decent gear.

The average player isn't breaking 10k because they don't invest in it because armour is bad because reddit says so. Yes, you need to pick those defensive layer nodes to benefit from it. Wow.

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3. You only used a 2000 point elemental hit which is a little low. Elemental hits tend to be much higher than physical hits because GGG assumes everyone is walking around with 75% resists at a minimum.

It's not low. It's what you'll get hit for by a fairly heavy-hitting blue mob in the endgame, unless of course you don't check your waystone stats for crazy damage mods.

So you're assuming perfect endgame gear but you couldn't even deal with extra elemental damage? You invent a situation in which elemental hit is low (which is unrealistic at T15), and also whine on "redditors" without any semblance of self-reflection. I really want POE2 characters to get public just to see how much bs people like you are spouting. Tired of seeing forum warriors defending armor without ever producing any proof. While the content creators and the "bad redditors" are non-stop streaming real gameplay.

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Pavton#7187 a écrit :

So you're assuming perfect endgame gear but you couldn't even deal with extra elemental damage? You invent a situation in which elemental hit is low (which is unrealistic at T15), and also whine on "redditors" without any semblance of self-reflection.

Yes i'm playing on HC and i don't run triple damage mods. If you're purposely shooting yourself in the foot you shouldn't complain about armour being bad.

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I really want POE2 characters to get public just to see how much bs people like you are spouting. Tired of seeing forum warriors defending armor without ever producing any proof.

But you're OK with warrior dead narrative before we even see the passive tree.

Whenever you decide to defend warrior or speak as if its going to be bad. Think for a second.

You have a friend that wants to play poe2. He likely will quit if the game feels to laborious or tedius. He is also only willing to make 1 character.

Do you recommend him to play warrior? If the answer is that you would not recommend warrior because it is a huge question mark and only works well with perfect endgame gear.

Then quit defending it.

If you would honestly tell someone to play warrior then you can defend it. But you're lying, trolling, or you think ruthless is a good game mode.

As soon as they open up a stream of fubgun playing deadeye zooming across the screen clearing maps in 1.5 minutes while it takes him 15 minutes. He will quit because fubgun is dropping 10 exalts 5 alchs 5 chaos 2 divines in 1.5 minutes and he found 1 exalt and 1 regal in 15 minutes.

In a game with an economy that you're entire play experience depends on you to be able to compete in some way with these guys. You cant be 10x slower than the guys setting the economy.

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Lonnie455Rich#2087 a écrit :

Do you recommend him to play warrior?

On HC? Yes, absolutely. On SC probably not.

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As soon as they open up a stream of fubgun playing deadeye zooming across the screen clearing maps in 1.5 minutes while it takes him 15 minutes.

We're talking about a new player. They won't be clearing maps in 1.5 minutes regardless. And their deadeye would probably suck in multiple ways even if they just follow the build guide.

Warrior is only good in hc if you're incredibly patient.

I don't think anyone can honestly say they are running around recommending people to play warrior. Saying YOU like to play it because x y doesn't mean its good. Ill play warrior because its the only bottom left ascendancy and I have to play there. Just really tired of ripping in mid 80s from being too slow.

invoker has been the best hc ascendancy so far for me. Has freeze, mobility, damage, defense.

Even with a good character on a warrior you're not going to be able to compete with a mediocre class that's built for speed.

If warrior has to be so slow it needs more defense. Armour is just too bad. I play hcssf and i dont have a single warrior over 10k armour. Mostly because the crafting in this game is so absolutely terrible. You could fix that for trade but the fix for warrior, the most basic hulk smash ascendancy shouldn't be to play trade league imo.

getting 5k life should be standard not an outlier. There are just so many problems. Speed, life, mitigation.

I don't see anything that gives me the inclination that warrior will be any better this patch than it was last patch.

Just logged in on my Titan with around a mirror investment. Slow, takes long to clear maps, takes long to clear t1 bosses. Takes long or dies on t2+. Needs 1-5 mirror weapon to even contest t4 content.

Logged in on LS gemling with around 5 div investment. Oneshots everything. Literaly cleared a map in about 30 seconds, usually takes 1-2 minutes. Can clear anything up to t3 pinnacle.

I dont want LS or Deadeye to be nerfed. I Want Warrior to feel as powerful. Not be the same, but feel as much power in its own way. Not fuking channeling Supercharged Slam for 5 seconds to deal Supercuck Slap damage.