The real problem of XP LOSS.

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Nyon#6673 a écrit :

1. I dont think the cost of dying is unreasonable.
You lose 10% exp, which can easily be reduced to 2.5% exp with a omen.
Compared to other games its basicly nothing.

10% XP loss (as designed) in higher levels represents many hours of maps that have already been beaten. It's not reasonable for normal people who actually value their time.

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Nyon#6673 a écrit :

2. Im contesting your claim that you cant make improvements to your build without spending hundreds of divines. I would like you to actually show this.

Here is a search for a comparable spear to what I have. I have kept all the core stats that I want in this search. Other useful info not specified in the search - my physical DPS is 275, there's also 21 dexterity points, and 61 added lightning damage. As of running this search right now, the only upgrade available to me seems to be 300 divines.

https://www.pathofexile.com/trade2/search/poe2/Dawn%20of%20the%20Hunt/9py6ggKuK

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SpankyKong#9805 a écrit :

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Nyon#6673 a écrit :

1. I dont think the cost of dying is unreasonable.
You lose 10% exp, which can easily be reduced to 2.5% exp with a omen.
Compared to other games its basicly nothing.

10% XP loss (as designed) in higher levels represents many hours of maps that have already been beaten. It's not reasonable for normal people who actually value their time.

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Nyon#6673 a écrit :

2. Im contesting your claim that you cant make improvements to your build without spending hundreds of divines. I would like you to actually show this.

Here is a search for a comparable spear to what I have. I have kept all the core stats that I want in this search. Other useful info not specified in the search - my physical DPS is 275, there's also 21 dexterity points, and 61 added lightning damage. As of running this search right now, the only upgrade available to me seems to be 300 divines.

https://www.pathofexile.com/trade2/search/poe2/Dawn%20of%20the%20Hunt/9py6ggKuK

but you're talking about deaths. dps isn't gonna save you from random deaths even if you're oneshotting *most* of the time.

and you dont need to spend 300 divines on a spear of such, at which point you might as well mirror belton's new 1000 pdps spear.

you can just get a high rolled tangletongue, near top end for less than 15div , which was the price maybe 1-2 weeks ago and is likely much cheaper now.

something like 19.8% crit chance and high pdps and 2 sockets.

and less than 3divs for a single socket.

i have a few of those, and you can easily use it alongside other items to melt arbiter over and over.

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LiMA6#0387 a écrit :

but you're talking about deaths. dps isn't gonna save you from random deaths even if you're oneshotting *most* of the time.

and you dont need to spend 300 divines on a spear of such, at which point you might as well mirror belton's new 1000 pdps spear.

you can just get a high rolled tangletongue, near top end for less than 15div , which was the price maybe 1-2 weeks ago and is likely much cheaper now.

something like 19.8% crit chance and high pdps and 2 sockets.

and less than 3divs for a single socket.

Still haven't shared your gear/passive tree/skills/supports, LiMA6? Let's not turn this into a theory crafting discussion. Put up or shut up.

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SpankyKong#9805 a écrit :

Take notice of where these jokers want to drag the conversation (away from the aspect of unreasonable cost of dying, and towards theory crafting build improvements), while giving absolutely nothing to establish their own credibility.

Yeeep, completely de-railing the subject of the thread. This isn't about dying in the game, nobody is asking for "build help", and it's hilarious how the other argument is "just use omens bro" like that just makes it even more painfully apparent how horrible exp loss is in this game because omens didn't always exist in PoE 1, they're fairly new. They were just copy-pasted into PoE 2, and having to buy an omen on Faustus or trade for every mapping session is giga cringe, that's some Hardcore league playstyle which many do not enjoy. Amelioration omen is a band-aid fix, and a huge group of people defending exp loss just don't wanna lose all their profits from selling them lmao

Its about how bad it feels because of the unreasonable punishment mechanics in the game. They just don't understand how bad it feels to have hours upon hours of mapping disappear when you die and you just sit there thinking "why did I map for the past X hours?".


This thread was never about dying in PoE 2, its about the consequences of death being way too severe in Softcore of all gamemodes. If all these players love risk and reward so much, they should all just go play HC instead of trying to force the 90% of the player population to play the way they want to and go through the same pain LMAO

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SpankyKong#9805 a écrit :

10% XP loss (as designed) in higher levels represents many hours of maps that have already been beaten. It's not reasonable for normal people who actually value their time.

Im level 94 with 5 deaths. I dont think its unreasonable at all.
Its also almost completetly avoidable by simply using an omen.
Why is it that you refuse to use omens? Or obviously we both know that you do use them you just want to leave that out to try and make your argument not sound terrible because whining about a 2.5% exp loss is cringe.

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SpankyKong#9805 a écrit :

Here is a search for a comparable spear to what I have. I have kept all the core stats that I want in this search. Other useful info not specified in the search - my physical DPS is 275, there's also 21 dexterity points, and 61 added lightning damage. As of running this search right now, the only upgrade available to me seems to be 300 divines.

https://www.pathofexile.com/trade2/search/poe2/Dawn%20of%20the%20Hunt/9py6ggKuK

But thats irrelevant. Even if I take what you say at face value.
The fact that you have a good spear thats expensive to replace doesnt mean that you dont have 100 other things you could do to improve your build.
Ill bet your sitting there with blue rings and 30% ele resistances because you spent all your currency on a spear hoping to one shot everything before you had to do any mechanics.

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Nyon#6673 a écrit :

But thats irrelevant. Even if I take what you say at face value.
The fact that you have a good spear thats expensive to replace doesnt mean that you dont have 100 other things you could do to improve your build.
Ill bet your sitting there with blue rings and 30% ele resistances because you spent all your currency on a spear hoping to one shot everything before you had to do any mechanics.

Why don't you post your build, and then you can find out. I would love for you to put money on that bet.

Both you and LiMA6 have no credibility - without pictures or video, any summary you write up is untrustworthy. Show, don't tell.

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SpankyKong#9805 a écrit :

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LiMA6#0387 a écrit :

but you're talking about deaths. dps isn't gonna save you from random deaths even if you're oneshotting *most* of the time.

and you dont need to spend 300 divines on a spear of such, at which point you might as well mirror belton's new 1000 pdps spear.

you can just get a high rolled tangletongue, near top end for less than 15div , which was the price maybe 1-2 weeks ago and is likely much cheaper now.

something like 19.8% crit chance and high pdps and 2 sockets.

and less than 3divs for a single socket.

Still haven't shared your gear/passive tree/skills/supports, LiMA6? Let's not turn this into a theory crafting discussion. Put up or shut up.

im not the one complaining about xp loss. understand your position.

but ill show you a mediocre amulet, alright?

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Item Class: Amulets
Rarity: Rare
Storm Braid
Solar Amulet
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Quality (Defence Modifiers): +20% (augmented)
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Requires: Level 65
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Item Level: 82
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Allocates Overwhelming Strike (enchant)
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{ Implicit Modifier }
+14(10-15) to Spirit (implicit)
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{ Prefix Modifier "Countess'" (Tier: 5) }
+49(47-50) to Spirit
{ Prefix Modifier "Incandescent" (Tier: 10) — Defences — 20% Increased }
+88(80-89) to maximum Energy Shield
{ Prefix Modifier "Mirage's" (Tier: 7) — Defences — 20% Increased }
48(45-50)% increased Evasion Rating
{ Suffix Modifier "of the Philosopher" (Tier: 5) — Attribute }
+22(21-24) to Intelligence (fractured)
{ Suffix Modifier "of Excavation" (Tier: 4) }
21(19-21)% increased Rarity of Items found
{ Suffix Modifier "of Tzteosh" (Tier: 8) — Elemental, Fire, Resistance }
+43(41-45)% to Fire Resistance
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Fractured Item

yet i dont need to prove anything to you.

What about, people try to make a new character, in HC, so there is no more XP Loss.
Problem solved !

This topic shouldnt have that many pages.
Being on the forum that much wont help your XP neither...

omens are there to reduce xp loss to 2.5%, but you continue exaggerating that 10%. this is deceptive behavior.

you make tall claims of xp loss being unfair or whatever... but you don't show us why it is so. you in fact do your very best to not show your defenses, and we can already guess why. dont try to be smart with your reply here, i can already half guess how you wanna respond. best to not respond and leave it there.

dont show your build. i dont care anymore. just continue your assertions that xp loss is bad. one day, you might become a better player and realize how wrong you were all along. its hard to get worse. you can only get better.

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KurauPM#6519 a écrit :

What about, people try to make a new character, in HC, so there is no more XP Loss.
Problem solved !

This topic shouldnt have that many pages.
Being on the forum that much wont help your XP neither...

Softcore players don't like the idea of playing in Hardcore, shocking I know. That's the whole reason we hate exp loss and any kind of death penalty that steals away the progress you've earned. The game doesn't respect the player's time investment. It's that simple.