The real problem of XP LOSS.

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rhalbhub#0570 a écrit :

If GGG offered a difficulty tier minus xp penalty it would have 99% of the players in it. Even those defending it in this long thread unless they made it attractuve to play in the others. Everyone would play minus XP penalties if it was offered.

Its that simple.

If they offered it and players chose that difficulty then this debate could end and each camp can have its on economy.

This is now 25 pages it is clearly an important topic to many. There IS no answer other than a diff difficulty really completely seperating the players.

Prob is if you choose to play in the difficulty with XP loss you may have nobody to trade with LOL

Exactly, its a really simple solution. The league with exp penalty will be similar to ssf or ruthless population lmao

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Toforto#2372 a écrit :

Exactly, its a really simple solution. The league with exp penalty will be similar to ssf or ruthless population lmao

Maybe you can go ask for a easy mode campaign in elden ring and sekiro while your at it. Grab some more participation trophies.

Or you could wake up and go play games that are designed for you.

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Toforto#2372 a écrit :

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rhalbhub#0570 a écrit :

If GGG offered a difficulty tier minus xp penalty it would have 99% of the players in it. Even those defending it in this long thread unless they made it attractuve to play in the others. Everyone would play minus XP penalties if it was offered.

Its that simple.

If they offered it and players chose that difficulty then this debate could end and each camp can have its on economy.

This is now 25 pages it is clearly an important topic to many. There IS no answer other than a diff difficulty really completely seperating the players.

Prob is if you choose to play in the difficulty with XP loss you may have nobody to trade with LOL

Exactly, its a really simple solution. The league with exp penalty will be similar to ssf or ruthless population lmao

It would be the ultimate test for GGG to see which camps of players really is the focal point for their VISION.

Yep exactly. People don't wanna be forced to play with weird hardcore mechanics on softcore. It makes no sense, so they should just remove em so people can actually have fun with the game. They've already lost so many players because of this lol[/quote]

so how come 0.1 had very good player retention even with XP loss?[/quote]

It was all just hype generated by interviews and streamers telling everyone to play the game because its the best thing ever. Obviously everyone is gonna try out a new release, because tourist gamers will hop onto whatever game is fresh for the month.

You can't keep using this argument of "but game good because it has exp loss". No, PoE 1 was good despite having exp loss not because of it. The community shaped that game into a fun experience. You can't just say "this salad is great because it has 1 horrible ingredient in it". 0 logic.

We saw how long that lasted anyway, over 50% didn't come back for 0.2 and now the game is dwindling at 50k players lmao(40k atm, and at least half are probably bots). This game made almost all the streamers quit and go play other stuff, and now a few got baited back because of the promise of the loot patch making it fun again. That's so bad.


Your argument makes absolutely no sense, exp loss being deleted would change nothing about this game. If its soooo important why isn't it in the campaign then? People seem to enjoy that part just fine without it. Very weird.[/quote]

I don't know which side you're on now. But it almost sounds as if you're saying XP loss isn't the entire factor of people quitting.

But instead of confusing yourself, I will tell you.

This patch is boring. It started off even more boring on day 1 where certain builds are far better than others in clearing campaign. It's to the extent the best way to clear the campaign even at the very present is rake+stomping ground for ANY character. So if you chose the wrong build early, too bad. You can only feel frustrated like many streamers.
This is a LS league which even had JR suggesting to use it. Without build diversity and some people refusing to play the one build everyone plays, naturally they leave.
Chase items are even more boring.
And cheap items is enough to bring you to T15 and then there's little to chase after.

I can go on.

I've not heard of a streamer saying, IM DONE WITH POE2. XP LOSS IS TOO MISERABLE.

It also fries my brain cells to hear them yappin about combo play only to have everyone play LS.

There's plenty of reason for people to hate this league that isn't xp loss.

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LiMA6#0387 a écrit :

There's plenty of reason for people to hate this league that isn't xp loss.

Then why have there been constant threads about people quitting due to exp loss since 0.1 dropped lol

I'm saying exp loss is a completely seperate factor that makes the game worse. Doesn't matter what the patch is like if its good or bad. Exp loss is just this pointlessly bad game design that just has no reason to even be there.

All this thread is discussing is exp loss, not that its the sole singular thing making this patch bad. Its just one of many problems. And people have offered countless solutions, even ones that let everyone play with it on/off so the game won't change for anyone. It's up to the devs to take that feedback and act on it, but until then people are just gonna keep on quitting because of -X hours of progress on death.

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rhalbhub#0570 a écrit :

It would be the ultimate test for GGG to see which camps of players really is the focal point for their VISION.

Yeeah, looking at how Ruthless is a ghost town in PoE 1 I think I can already see the results lol

https://pathofexile2.com/ladders

Who are all these mysterious people? )

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Ярри#5910 a écrit :

https://pathofexile2.com/ladders

Who are all these mysterious people? )

Yeah but that ladder is just pointless and those people obviously spent all that time making a good build and farming for some pointless reason.
Better if we all just reach level 100. Because everyone loves zero challenges and participation trophies right?

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Nyon#6673 a écrit :

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Ярри#5910 a écrit :

https://pathofexile2.com/ladders

Who are all these mysterious people? )

Yeah but that ladder is just pointless and those people obviously spent all that time making a good build and farming for some pointless reason.
Better if we all just reach level 100. Because everyone loves zero challenges and participation trophies right?

Yes, I agree. These are probably fake characters, mythical personalities, because as the "group of the infirm" proved to us, it's simply not realistic to take a 90+ level in this game due to accidental deaths from white mobs.

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Toforto#2372 a écrit :

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LiMA6#0387 a écrit :

There's plenty of reason for people to hate this league that isn't xp loss.

Then why have there been constant threads about people quitting due to exp loss since 0.1 dropped lol

I'm saying exp loss is a completely seperate factor that makes the game worse. Doesn't matter what the patch is like if its good or bad. Exp loss is just this pointlessly bad game design that just has no reason to even be there.

All this thread is discussing is exp loss, not that its the sole singular thing making this patch bad. Its just one of many problems. And people have offered countless solutions, even ones that let everyone play with it on/off so the game won't change for anyone. It's up to the devs to take that feedback and act on it, but until then people are just gonna keep on quitting because of -X hours of progress on death.

To this i will say, i do expect some if not many to quit because of xp loss. But i will also say, if the game felt rewarding enough in other ways, they would strive a little harder and find ways to achieve the reward. Except the game is hardly rewarding at this juncture. When you combine low rewards, and suffering... alongside boredom, such as taking long walks, especially if you're not on a rhoa and low rewards from maps (relative to other mechanics) for the greater portion of this league..... the player loss isn't quite surprising anymore.

so it goes deeper than just quitting because of direct xp loss. now this game has been ass since 0.1 for me, but at least in 0.1 there were things to chase still.