Atlas reset again..

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signonthe a écrit :

GGG 1: I have found some strange data while checking database.
GGG 2: Did someone hack us?
GGG 1: No, Its fine. Just seems there are a lot of map hoarding in Standard.
GGG 2: What we do now?
GGG 3: **smiles** I know what to do.

After a while, on PoE Forum Announcement section:

"Guys we are happy to announce Atlas shuffle on every league start"

Atlas shuflle is not a bad thing in itself,, it gives a refresh on an old system. As long as i can complete an old map to have my completion back i will not cry (not mentioning that they also add and remove some maps in the process).

The big problem only arise when a player has 2000+ maps in his stash, why would he keep that amount of maps makes no sense to me. I understand keeping a lot of reds, some yellows like 5-6 maybe 9 but white maps ?

It is massively disruptive and expensive to reset the Atlas for Standard players in SSF. In a tarde league who cares? just buy the missing maps, not an option for me. At the end of Betrayal I had all level 15 maps complete and was moving the shaper / elder into the red maps. Making steady progress and unlocking Zana mods. I can only play for 20 hours a week max, so Standard is an ideal place for me to invest my time and play at a challenging level, for me.

The reset has invalidated all the 800 Betrayal maps I had collected. Many of these red maps were collected using the Zana mod that promotes a rare tier 10 map to 15 for 6 chaos. That is an expensive way to buy into red maps but is ok if it only has to be done once. This league I don't have that mod any more, not sure why, I guess I haven't done enough of the Atlas or something.

I could crunch some of the 800 Betrayal maps to get maps a tier higher, but I often only have 4 or 5 of any one map, so lots of left over maps. With low level ones I don't care but crunching 3 tier 12 to get one 13 does not seem a good deal when they cost many chaos to obtain in SSF using the Zana mod.

Basically it means a huge amount of disruption that takes a great deal of effort and expense for a SSF playerbase to restore a usable set of maps to do daily mission (that are not essential but now part of the core game) but much more important the maps needed to progress the shaper / elder war for the atlas, which is essential for me to make progress. You need to have the maps from the current atlas to progress that.

Resetting the Atlas every 3 months is far too frequent for my style of play unless there is some convenient and cost efficient way to convert old maps into new ones on a one for one basis or to allow old maps to count for Daily missions and shaper/ elder completion as long as they are the same level or higher, then provide a Zana mod to promote any lower level maps to a sufficient level for completion. That change would meet most of my requirements and massive reduce the burden of an Atlas change.

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Azarhiel a écrit :

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signonthe a écrit :

GGG 1: I have found some strange data while checking database.
GGG 2: Did someone hack us?
GGG 1: No, Its fine. Just seems there are a lot of map hoarding in Standard.
GGG 2: What we do now?
GGG 3: **smiles** I know what to do.

After a while, on PoE Forum Announcement section:

"Guys we are happy to announce Atlas shuffle on every league start"

Atlas shuflle is not a bad thing in itself,, it gives a refresh on an old system. As long as i can complete an old map to have my completion back i will not cry (not mentioning that they also add and remove some maps in the process).

The big problem only arise when a player has 2000+ maps in his stash, why would he keep that amount of maps makes no sense to me. I understand keeping a lot of reds, some yellows like 5-6 maybe 9 but white maps ?

Is there anything written good or bad in my post?

So legacy items are basically one of the main game features, but they couldn't keep something as simple as atlas progress for standard players? Yeah, I don't buy it. For some reason GGG decided it will be a good idea to close endgame for casual standard players, that's it.

Might as well reset characters levels to 1 next, eh? Why stopping at one middle finger after all.

OMG if this isn't the most tired gripe on these forums.

It is simply an economic decision on the part of GGG, so get on board or leave, it is really as simple as that.

Yeah, it is a hoarder's nightmare, so get together an intervention and:

- trade in or complete your old maps
- complete one high level map to fill out most of your Atlas
- mourn over the loss of all your completed unique maps (especially Halls of the Grandmasters, fuck that map.....by the way, also an economic decision on the part of GGG).

Chris Wilson's recent presentation outlining how important a constant rotation of new league content, and streamers and the "upper" 10% of players playing it, are to the future success of this game CLEARLY tells you, in no uncertain terms, that Standard has NO place in GGG's economic and design outlook.

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Slaanesh69 a écrit :

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OMG if this isn't the most tired gripe on these forums.

It is simply an economic decision on the part of GGG, so get on board or leave, it is really as simple as that.

Yeah, it is a hoarder's nightmare, so get together an intervention and:

- trade in or complete your old maps
- complete one high level map to fill out most of your Atlas
- mourn over the loss of all your completed unique maps (especially Halls of the Grandmasters, fuck that map.....by the way, also an economic decision on the part of GGG).

Chris Wilson's recent presentation outlining how important a constant rotation of new league content, and streamers and the "upper" 10% of players playing it, are to the future success of this game CLEARLY tells you, in no uncertain terms, that Standard has NO place in GGG's economic and design outlook.

Or maybe TencentGGG's needs to "git gud & up to snuff" instead.

They have the capability to keep maps completed on the Atlas, so a full Atlas reset would be a perfectly viable solution on Standard - if they don't want to go this way, fine, but they could at least preserve all UNIQUE map progress like they did in current league - and that combined with the opportunity to run a T16 map for Atlas completion below Guardians, Shaper Realm and Vaal Temple is sufficient (although a kick in the nuts for the shaped Atlas strategies).

Adding a fast and easy way to convert thousands of legacy maps at the push of a button while also implementing the above is sufficient to preserve Standard map management in a "sane" way, and keep both hoarders and collectors happy.

Contrary to the popular belief that "Standard is unimportant and the de facto dumpster", most of the time Standard proves itself a lot more enjoyable versus the lackluster perpetual beta test 1-2 month period of a "new" league. But hey, TencentGGG has the numbers and I'm sure that due to the constant "support" of the Standard players, they are actually interested into keeping us happy and implementing their "vision" regarding the core aspects of PoE with "care".

Hopefully, the next update will show us they have resolved these problems properly, and can also rejuvenate a subpar playstyle (yes, I'm talking about melee and more importantly REAL MELEE)...

how it's "fresh" when you have to run the content every single day no matter what?

what sense of "fresh" do you get by having to re-complete every single map again?

granted I can understand why the game is strongly casual if they do this in order to retain players or keep them online.