[PSA] GGG automatically scans and bans for certain English keywords in your in-game Whisper messages

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SarahAustin a écrit :

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lagwin1980 a écrit :

I'll say it again since OP dose not seem to get it, the ToS you signed gives them the right to terminate your account at any time for any reason justified or not.

You can play dumb all you like but that won't change...nor are GGG obligate to explain themselves to you, and everyone you are going to get a reply from here dose not give a fuck if a self confessed cheat is banned

They should just close this thread...

Already reported it saying as much

Terms of use:

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6. Restrictions: Under no circumstances, without the prior written approval of Grinding Gear Games, may you:
(c) Utilise any automated software or ‘bots’ in relation to your access or use of the Website, Materials or Services.

Before you say "but macro isn't the same" you must remember that it's impossible to cover every individual case in a terms of use. For individual cases, contact someone or look up previous cases that are largely the same. Refer to Chris' quote about not being allowed to use a macro that preforms more than one server-side action, and there you go.

Did you honestly believe that what you were doing was totally fine and legal?

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tempaccount9999 a écrit :

used the same macro for a year, nothing happened

Totally irrelevant. The system isn't perfect, as you have noticed. But it's still not allowed.

This is about as ridiculous as a drug dealer that says "But I've been dealing drugs for years and nobody caught me. It was only after I openly talked about it and my methods on a public phone when the police came!"

On the topic of them monitoring private messages, more terms of use:

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22. Collecting Information: Whenever you access or make use of any of the Website, Materials or Services, Grinding Gear Games may as applicable collect the following types of information from you:

(e) information relating to the actions you undertake within POE;

It is likely there are action logs. One look at timestamps on flask use would tell them you're using a macro. Admitting to it set off the alarms, they investigate, and you got banned.

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RandallPOE a écrit :

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tempaccount9999 a écrit :

so ur saying they either:

1. log all actions done by every player ever

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2. randomly pose as a "real" player with random gear, challengepoints etc, and randomly whisper random players and just happened to whisper me?

or

3. They log player actions for a time after they have reason to believe that someone is doing something dodgy ie. chat monitoring picks up certain keywords or you get reported.

Willing to bet that if you're not doing anything dodgy you could whisper people all day long discussing rmt, macros, botting etc. without ever getting banned. If mentioning one of those things in a whisper by itself was enough to get you banned without actually having done anything wrong the forum would be flooded with complaints.

pretty much.



Im not suggesting they just randomly message random people, Im saying somehow you triggered a red flag, be that the chat u had with that player or simply repeated 12345 with exactly the same timings over a long period of time, or maybe you spoke 12345 in global chat as I have seen people do etc.

You used it for a year, ok. Ban waves dont happen because they happen to catch a load of people on the same day. I find it unlikely that there is a guy out there whos job it is to read every single convo from every single player that contains red flag words. I find it more likely theres a mechanical process for detecting mechanically suspicious behaviour, and then a real person checks it out to be sure. Openly admitting you are cheating is a good enough way to be sure in my book.


Im not sure what you expected to get out of this thread other than a bunch of legit players hating on you because you are a cheat and happy to see you got banned, but thats pretty much all you are gonna get from it.

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M0rO a écrit :

actually the terms of use says "no automated software" which if you are using a macro to push multiple buttons with 1 button as you admitted to doing then you are automating. you breached the ToU. they monitored that chat and only had to find you actually doing it which you likely did within that 12 hours.

But then that "automated software" would also include ALL other macros as well. Which it obviously doesn't.

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tempaccount9999 a écrit :

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M0rO a écrit :

actually the terms of use says "no automated software" which if you are using a macro to push multiple buttons with 1 button as you admitted to doing then you are automating. you breached the ToU. they monitored that chat and only had to find you actually doing it which you likely did within that 12 hours.

But then that "automated software" would also include ALL other macros as well. Which it obviously doesn't.

They have said repeatedly stated that macros that perform one action server side are ok. So a macro that opens your menu and clicks on logout or types /remaining is ok because although multiple actions it ends up one server side action. Surely you can see the difference between that and using 5 flasks with one key press?

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RandallPOE a écrit :

They have said repeatedly stated that macros that perform one action server side are ok. So a macro that opens your menu and clicks on logout or types /remaining is ok because although multiple actions it ends up one server side action. Surely you can see the difference between that and using 5 flasks with one key press?

"they have said" is not the same as "is listed in ToU or similar rule list"

its literally impossible for new players to know about these made-up rules that are only stated in one or a few dev posts somewhere if nobody tells them about it

lets say a new player finds this game, reads the whole Terms of Use, thinks "yeah ok so pressing a few buttons with a macro cant be bad since ToU doesnt say anything about that" and then suddenly gets permabanned with the vague reason "Breaching Terms of Use" after talking about it in in-game chat because he didn't know that chat was secretly monitored as well

im sure poe is the only game where you can actually get banned for using such simple macros, just because devs cant be arsed to code in some QoL fixes

I remember map hacking in d2 I won't lie there it was

+ Maphack
+ ''Grab it''

Yeah that's it used it for a year :3

They banned my account with ''Hex'' charms when a patch hit I transferred all the hex charms to another toon on another account thankfully my main account wasn't touched thanks to it :O

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tempaccount9999 a écrit :

im sure poe is the only game where you can actually get banned for using such simple macros, just because devs cant be arsed to code in some QoL fixes

just stop it dude. your supposed to manage your flasks yourself. its not QoL, its cheating, plain and simple.

and regarding your earlier question: its been maybe a month since i discussed rmt-related stuff with a friend from singapore, where it seems to be quite usual to rmt in games.