"Never pay-to-win" Dishonest Marketing by GGG?

TFW when are you a 'whale' yet never show up on ladders, hardly reach red maps or atziri, don't have a character over 90 and can count exalts earned per league on on hand with fingers left over.

I don't understand, I've got over 40 premium tabs, when can I start winning?
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Dernière édition par Dizrupt#2535, le 20 août 2016 à 09:48:45
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TFW when are you a 'whale' yet never show up on ladders, hardly reach red maps or atziri, don't have a character over 90 and can count exalts earned per league on on hand with fingers left over.

I don't understand, I've got over 40 premium tabs, when can I start winning?


Why do you require 40 premium tabs if you aren't utilizing them to their full potential. Do you have 40 pages of indexed tabs full of items for sale? Are they decent items that are desired?

The difference in ''winning'' when it applies to gaining wealth severely diminishes between the guy with one tab and the guy with no tabs after the first one is purchased. One tab to index the gear that players might actually be looking for. Any more than 1-2 indexed tabs is overkill. Junk in you're 38 other tabs probably demanding one chaos or less or later stored for crafting purposes.

The guy ''playing free'' is pushed to use the forum shop process and will typically get annoyed and not bother with it at all and thus ends up gaming with a mostly self-found style of play, occasionally buying upgrades when they complete enough chaos recipes or whatever other methods they wish to use.
Dernière édition par xxSerpentlordxx#0809, le 20 août 2016 à 11:24:35
>when you learn the word confer
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Dizrupt a écrit :
TFW when are you a 'whale' yet never show up on ladders, hardly reach red maps or atziri, don't have a character over 90 and can count exalts earned per league on on hand with fingers left over.

I don't understand, I've got over 40 premium tabs, when can I start winning?


Why do you require 40 premium tabs if you aren't utilizing them to their full potential. Do you have 40 pages of indexed tabs full of items for sale? Are they decent items that are desired?

The difference in ''winning'' when it applies to gaining wealth severely diminishes between the guy with one tab and the guy with no tabs after the first one is purchased. One tab to index the gear that players might actually be looking for. Any more than 1-2 indexed tabs is overkill. Junk in you're 38 other tabs probably demanding one chaos or less or later stored for crafting purposes.

The guy ''playing free'' is pushed to use the forum shop process and will typically get annoyed and not bother with it at all and thus ends up gaming with a mostly self-found style of play, occasionally buying upgrades when they complete enough chaos recipes or whatever other methods they wish to use.


It seems like ure missing his point. He's making the point that stash tabs aren't "winning" in and of itself.
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''It seems like ure missing his point. He's making the point that stash tabs aren't "winning" in and of itself.''


I feel like a winner every time someone messages me in game hoping to buy something I indexed in the tab which I purchased.
Dernière édition par xxSerpentlordxx#0809, le 20 août 2016 à 16:57:04
Anything that change the behaviour of the game on the server is, more or less, P2W. Stash tab and premium stash tab are P2W.

Otherwise, I could argue that buying Exalts for real money is not P2W. It just a time advantage (QoL) improvement, since i could get the same amount of orbs by farming the lake enough.
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O hey, it's this stupid thread again...
That's because people either don't know the real meaning of p2w or they twist its definition to make it fit their narrative.

Fuck I was playing Neverwinter and the fanboys kept arguing that it has no p2w elements even though you can buy pretty much anything in the game, have advantage over others, get XP boosts, shorten the time it takes for your profession dude to gather elements etc. by using your credit card LOLOL.
Edit I'm letting this thread die. (apologize for bump)
Dernière édition par xxSerpentlordxx#0809, le 20 août 2016 à 17:58:13
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I don't think it's misleading because the amount of p2w in this game is miniscule.


This. The p2w in this game is more like, "pay for convenience" more than anything. And compared to most other f2p games, we should REALLY consider ourselves lucky.


I think honest feedback is important to the developers. I think the game is far better when it avoids being a ghost town and the game welcomes large numbers of players of differing skill and experience. It makes for a very rich and exciting in-game world. If new players are turned off by deceptive advertising or being at an in-game disadvantage to existing paying players - even if it is not a large disadvantage - then those new players may not stay and that would be very bad for the game.

So while we are lucky to have such a great game - and we are - we shouldn't be afraid to provide feedback that is negative because ultimately that would improve the game a lot more than just blindly supporting every development and marketing decision made by GGG regardless of the ramifications to the game that so many of us love.

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