High level Mapping Impossible for 90% of people

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Darkkrows a écrit :

OP, if u think RNG is playing this too much to you, that you think sinking for too many currency means u should deserve a red color map.

then I wont mind suggesting GGG to add Zana 8 to sell T12-15 maps at very very expensive price. It also give people incentive to level up Zana to 8.

T12 = 5 Divine
T13 = 15 Divine
T14 = 10 Exalt
T15 = 20 Exalt

That should fix most of your "problems".

withotu grouping and flipping those prices are insane ..
i pretty sure i havent found more than 20 exalts in my total game time and i normaly get levle 90+ in every temp league

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Scrapm3tal a écrit :

All you fanboys are just blind. Just because GGG say T12+ maps are not meant to be sustainable doesnt mean they are right or have the best interest of players at heart. Quit accepting what GGG say and think for yourself.

Okay. Here's how I would balance map drops.

The highest tier should have its droprates tuned for be barely/nearly sustainable under literally perfect conditions. We are assuming essentially unlimited resources for maprolling, likely acquired through trade. Given the current map bonus system, this would mean:
* map is rolled to 132% quantity and 45% pack size, a perfect 6 affixes
* 3 Sacrifice Fragments are included
* 20% additional quantity from a paid Zana mod
Final area stats: 167% quantity, 45% pack size, 2.67*1.45=3.87 times base droprates

Then, we make each tier's sustainment point a geometric progression with the previous tier's sustainment point, as follows:
3.87^(1/15)=1.0945
Balance map drop sustainment at 1.0945^t, where t is that map's tier

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kamil1210 a écrit :

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90% of people

need to play more if they wantto get highest maps. Highest maps are in game to give long time goal.

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diablo instead where the highest content is only limited by your ability and not arbitrarily restricted by bullshit like this

lol xD

In PoE you could make better character to run map faster and learn how to effinciency roll maps and play in party. You need to know game to be successful. You need to be good player to do highest conent.

But you decide to play d3 and call it "limited by your ability" when 5 years old could beat entire game there is no "limited" content in d3.

That's funny because pretty sure the top solo rift players are at the top because of their skill not the differences between gear which is marginal at best at the very top.

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allbusiness a écrit :

That's funny because pretty sure the top solo rift players are at the top because of their skill not the differences between gear which is marginal at best at the very top.

WRONG! the top players in D3 are there NOT because of skill at all... Its because they bot to farm keys while they sleep and then group speed farm GRs as high as possible as fast as possible... Not much skill needed just a SHIT TON of dedication and patience to repeat this for months on end to stay at the top by the end of the season.

You are right about one thing... Gear means nothing.. But Paragon means EVERYTHING! You will not ever compete with people who bot their keys while they sleep and then run them all day and have 3K+Paragon before the second month in the season........ Not unless ofcourse you bot as well... and even then you still have to endlessly farm with a group.. Real Skill involved there huh? I guess it takes a certain skill to not drink bleach after doing that shit for a while....

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Demonoz a écrit :

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allbusiness a écrit :

That's funny because pretty sure the top solo rift players are at the top because of their skill not the differences between gear which is marginal at best at the very top.

WRONG! the top players in D3 are there NOT because of skill at all... Its because they bot to farm keys while they sleep and then group speed farm GRs as high as possible as fast as possible... Not much skill needed just a SHIT TON of dedication and patience to repeat this for months on end to stay at the top by the end of the season.

You are right about one thing... Gear means nothing.. But Paragon means EVERYTHING! You will not ever compete with people who bot their keys while they sleep and then run them all day and have 3K+Paragon before the second month in the season........ Not unless ofcourse you bot as well... and even then you still have to endlessly farm with a group.. Real Skill involved there huh? I guess it takes a certain skill to not drink bleach after doing that shit for a while....

I'm excluding those who bot obviously, you act like there's not a massive botting problem in Path of Exile.


At the highest level gear makes no difference; paragon level means shit if you don't have the knowledge and situational awareness to avoid certain things at the highest Grift levels, especially in HC.

i am lvl 91.5 atm and i play 100% solo. haven't bought a single map this league so far.

i dropped two tier 13 maps so far, maybe 3 tier 12 ones.
yesterday i spent like 15 or more chaos to roll village ruin map, killed only one of the bosses who dropped courtyard (tier 13), skipped the other one because it almost killed me when i attempted to kill him. unfortunately that courtyard did drop only one residence map.

but i am more or less fine with it, have 11 tier 10 maps and over 20 tier 9 ones. that's enough to slowly progress and find occasional tier 11-12 ones.

Sry though while I feel your indignation towards not having propper maps to run, it all comes down to how you roll / how much you invest on those.

My tip; Chisel them white, Alt for Magic/Packsize/Variety/Sea Witches & Goatmen and Regal them.
Regals are sustainable by recipe, alts for drops. Having a decent amount of IIR -for example a secondary skill linked with IIR Gem + Culling - helps on getting the currency you spend rolling, back.

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Darkkrows a écrit :

T9-11 maps are plentiful enough. Why would u want T13 when they basically get about the same exp/hour?

actualy they are better because of gorge rotations.
4 packs size rotas brought me from 90 to 91, was at 145kk exp\hour.

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ScrotieMcB a écrit :

T15 should have its droprates tuned for be exactly sustainable under literally perfect conditions. By which I mean:

pls, throw a call about self sustainble uber atziri, DO WANT.
so unbalanced, i like vaal temple and uber so much and no way to sustain them.
kappa

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allbusiness a écrit :

That's funny because pretty sure the top solo rift players are at the top because of their skill not the differences between gear which is marginal at best at the very top.

no, they are not. they are nolifers playin 12h a day
they are just excessively rolling specific rifts layouts and easy bosses on top. like zombieland or beast for pig dagger setup. also there was acid barb grind bullshit for gluttony boss(a3 acid boss afaik) and another bunch of tactics to get to the top. dont remember exactly i dropped that shit after hellfire exploit was revealed mid season 3

PS did 180 effective iiq and 53 packsize waterways, dropped only ONE necropolice map. no other maps. at all. sustaining 9-11 pool with no effort. no retarded bosses that make you to run around for hour, like voll or guys at excavation, not saying about corrupting map to noregen doubleboss +40hp global +30hp boss palace.

I mean u are not supposed to sustain ONLY t13-t15 maps ur supposed to sustain t11-t15 maps and thats pretty easy. I easily sustained t11-t15maaps in bestiary by alching and running and then using chisels and bloodlines on t14 and t15s and now im doing the exact same thing this league. i havent bought anything at all lol.

fuck all you people saying you can't maintain tier 12+

My sorry ass can't even finish filling out tier 2 and tier 3 maps on atlas. Level 82 been mapping since level 68 :(