High level Mapping Impossible for 90% of people

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Scrapm3tal a écrit :

All you fanboys are just blind. Just because GGG say T12+ maps are not meant to be sustainable doesnt mean they are right or have the best interest of players at heart. Quit accepting what GGG say and think for yourself.

I dont want the "occational" t12-15 map drop. I play this game for to reach end game and that means be able to have a decent (not long shot) chance to get t12-15 map drops with the proper investment made Period!

Sure, there are some(handful) of players that either are rich to buy the maps they need or super lucky but even those players eventually run out of luck and maps.

ps, and what is this bull shit about "expert" players running high tier maps? Im sorry but that is total utter crap talk. I know some people that has a huge map pool but isnt an "expert". They either got it through dumb luck and or bought the maps and to further help sustainability they rotate maps with other players that also has these high lvl maps. Dont come here and tell me I need to be an "Expert" to get and sustain a high level map pool. You spewing utter bullshit and you know it.

Just dont be mad and roll your t12+properly,by properly i mean at least double packsize,use 3 sacrifice frags on them and some zana mods which are cheap now.You'll be fine.Sometimes you will get bad streak,but most of time you'll be playing t12-t14.You really dont need to be expert for this lol.
And pls,just dont tell me that you dont want to spend currency on maps,thats common problem for all map drops whiners,they want play highest lv maps but they dont want to invest any currency on them.

Sure is. Instead of working on lab so much which is so dreadful other than to ascend that not many will play there, they needed to expand map pool higher and more numerous. Oh well. Just re-roll when you hit the road blocks. Game gets pretty boring anyway past 90.

"You are just salty for some reason that you think you are entitled to these red maps, you aren't and judging briefly based on your character profile you haven't even reached a level in which the high tier non red maps don't give efficient enough XP."

Excuse me sir, I have lvl 94 toon on standard and a bunch more lvl 90+ toons. I dipped my feet into the perandus league with my lvl 85 toon. So dont tell me im not high enough level.

And to those people that come on here to tell me what maps I may or may not play or tell me im not entitled to these maps. You are saying that after weeks of playing and tons of currency invested that i should not hope for t13+ map drops? Does that sound right to you?

I am damn sure entitles to get t13 drops after my massive investments into the maps and if i WANT to play t13+ maps why should i settle for less? Just because you say im getting same xp(Debatable) doesnt mean i dont have the right to attains said maps. XP doesnt have anything to do with my complaint. I want to do the highest lvl content without an arbitrary barrier, period. Is that so hard to grasp?

But of course, again all the fanboys will come on here and tell me about this and that and completely miss the point and keep pandering to GGG's whims.

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Scrapm3tal a écrit :

"You are saying that after weeks of playing and tons of currency invested that i should not hope for t13+ map drops? Does that sound right to you?

Yes, that sounds about right.

What is a ton of currency: 10.000 chaos spent?

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Excuse me sir, I have lvl 94 toon on standard and a bunch more lvl 90+ toons. I dipped my feet into the perandus league with my lvl 85 toon. So dont tell me im not high enough level.

Your level 85 toon isn't ready for red maps I can promise you that, not only that you can get great XP from non red maps at that level.

In terms of yuor 94 character yes red maps will provide a better XP gain (depending on deaths or not) then the lower tier content, the difference after the nerfs in XP are much less then before.

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And to those people that come on here to tell me what maps I may or may not play or tell me im not entitled to these maps. You are saying that after weeks of playing and tons of currency invested that i should not hope for t13+ map drops? Does that sound right to you?

You can hope for the occasional here and there. But if you truly want to sustain the highest level of maps you will have to do the most challenging mods and combinations really possible, you will have to be prepared to spend many, many chaos for each and every red tier map. Including but not limited to 4 chisels, potentially scouring the map first, then alch, then chaos spam until 25+ packsize, then onslaught or another zana mod (2 chaos+) and potentially vaal orbing them. Which also increases the cost if you zana mod it too. In addition ideally you use 3 atziri pieces, dusk, dawn and noon.

A simple calculation can see that cost can be ~10 chaos or more if you are unlucky per map, are you willing to spend that much, if not why?

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I am damn sure entitles to get t13 drops after my massive investments into the maps and if i WANT to play t13+ maps why should i settle for less? Just because you say im getting same xp(Debatable) doesnt mean i dont have the right to attains said maps. XP doesnt have anything to do with my complaint. I want to do the highest lvl content without an arbitrary barrier, period. Is that so hard to grasp?

You should settle for less because if GGG says "this isn't realistic to sustain" then IT ISN'T REALISTIC TO SUSTAIN. They make the game and you choose to play it. They nerfed the XP gain of higher tier maps to be much more nelegible compared to before, now it isn't get red or get no XP the difference between them are actually less then you probably realize. Not only that lets go with the XP doesn't have anything to do. The highest level content wasn't meant to be something you can just do constantly, have you looked at the mapping system before and looked at the highest non map zone? Like hello of course you aren't going to be able to do the highest content back to back to back. The arbitrary barrier there is cost, if you want there are plenty of red maps for sale, if you cant sustain it based off the information above (aka hit a rut) then you can always buy if you feel like you should be able to.

Is it so hard to grasp that they don't want people chaining red maps without massive investment? When they added it they made it as clear as possible for people like you that it isn't something you are entitled to. Stop being a little brat and put forth some effort. When is the last time you did a hard red tier map?

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But of course, again all the fanboys will come on here and tell me about this and that and completely miss the point and keep pandering to GGG's whims.

Yeah fanboys because we understand the goal of the higher tier of maps and disagree with you. You should know your point is pathetic when you have to use "fanboy" as an argument.

Lvl 85 should not be doing the highest maps. These are intended for 90-93+ depending on many factors including availability of really good gear, player skill, build, etc.

"Is it so hard to grasp that they don't want people chaining red maps without massive investment? When they added it they made it as clear as possible for people like you that it isn't something you are entitled to. Stop being a little brat and put forth some effort. When is the last time you did a hard red tier map?"

Jesus Christ, im not saying im just alcing a high tier map or running a blue map and expect drops. You are making straw man arguments here. But let me put it again, I invest tons of currency, I ROLL NARLY FUCKING MODS/Super hard mods, Crazy mods!!! Can u understand? Then i put in Zana with atziri pieces after i run map with 15 chaos plus investment I get dick, 95% of the time.

But cheers, ill go play some diablo instead where the highest content is only limited by your ability and not arbitrarily restricted by bullshit like this. You guys keep on grinding and dream of those high tier maps. I'm uninstalling this game. cheers.

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90% of people

need to play more if they wantto get highest maps. Highest maps are in game to give long time goal.

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diablo instead where the highest content is only limited by your ability and not arbitrarily restricted by bullshit like this

lol xD

In PoE you could make better character to run map faster and learn how to effinciency roll maps and play in party. You need to know game to be successful. You need to be good player to do highest conent.

But you decide to play d3 and call it "limited by your ability" when 5 years old could beat entire game there is no "limited" content in d3.

OP, if u think RNG is playing this too much to you, that you think sinking for too many currency means u should deserve a red color map.

then I wont mind suggesting GGG to add Zana 8 to sell T12-15 maps at very very expensive price. It also give people incentive to level up Zana to 8.

T12 = 5 Divine
T13 = 15 Divine
T14 = 10 Exalt
T15 = 20 Exalt

That should fix most of your "problems".