How to best use varunastra?

Hey guys, bought two varunastras and made a build that i will be starting soon. I am curious what you guys think of the sword.

Currently I am planning a cyclone build. My planned passive tree features, at lvl 85:

This is a healthy amount of stats, which ofc is possible because of the swords ability to take advantage of all 1h weapon type bonuses.

Now I am wondering, where do you go from here? You got an effective use of the mana gain on hit, effective use of the weapon type thing, however, the weapons dps itself is not that great (272dps~ in my case).

Is the weapon just mediocre? You can easily get 1h weapons with more pdps than varunastra, which will cost you in passive tree strength, but doesn't that just compensate for itself?

Seems to me the biggest strength of the sword is the mana on hit, however mana leech isnt that rare nowadays anyway.

As per the title, how to best use varunastra, and push it to its absolute limit?

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Deadpeng a écrit :

This weapon over here costed me only 20 chaos and no amount of investment in your Varunstras can ever beat the DPS you can get out of this hammer. Just because you are trying hard, it does not mean some low budget weapon GGG made will work out.

Sad but true! ;)

I enjoy the idea of the weapon, but don't really feel like it has hidden potential or anything.

I feel like the best use for this sword, as opposed to your take on a left side part of the tree, is a right side build, taking the dagger crit nodes, whatever other claw/sword notables are in range(claws offer some strong leech nodes, close to the adder's touch dagger node), the deadly dilettante wheel, and then focusing on block/hp from there, because trying to invest in any other damage roll at that point would only hurt the build.

On a side note, the mace Deadpeng posted is ~15% better in terms of base dps, compared to a top rolled varunastra. Hate to break it to him, but the sword allows for a higher dps than that mace, with some tree investment. A top rolled varunastra is, however, not budget anymore - yours seem to fall in the top roll range though.

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geolan31 a écrit :

I enjoy the idea of the weapon, but don't really feel like it has hidden potential or anything.

I feel like the best use for this sword, as opposed to your take on a left side part of the tree, is a right side build, taking the dagger crit nodes, whatever other claw/sword notables are in range(claws offer some strong leech nodes, close to the adder's touch dagger node), the deadly dilettante wheel, and then focusing on block/hp from there, because trying to invest in any other damage roll at that point would only hurt the build.

On a side note, the mace Deadpeng posted is ~15% better in terms of base dps, compared to a top rolled varunastra. Hate to break it to him, but the sword allows for a higher dps than that mace, with some tree investment. A top rolled varunastra is, however, not budget anymore - yours seem to fall in the top roll range though.

I didnt even realize that weapon could roll up to 280 pdps, that makes it much more than just a cheapo build bridger imho. But i totally agree with this poster, go left side, take crit nodes for dagger, claw + sword crit nodes near ranger and the deadly dilletante cluster, and you'll be set as long as you slot a crit chance gem in your skill setup.

Almost every ascendency unique is a garbage. Nothing fun to play with. With theorycrafting either.

Im theorycrafting from past three years and see nothing new that will beat old power creeps. Ascendency classes bring nothing more than more dps or more defences to already best builds from past half a year.

Uniques brought nothing. Through new blasphemy 22lv helm is nice for some old cursers/supports.

Its a great gateway weapon, and one to possibly use into higher tier maps, but it is by no means BiS for any build currently.

I love the weapon and the idea behind it. Cant beat the investment of the claw/sword/dagger nodes for one weapons damage/attack speed.

How to best use? Lile I said, as a gateway weapon into mapping, and maybe you dont play enough to see it cap out.

this weapon allows defensive builds with minimal dps without losing yours point to travel to efficient weapon node wheels. It's only purpose in end game is to make budget survivability builds.


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180% life is kinda low ok.

176% AR

36% eva

415% defense from shield.

27% block chance.

Shall be played with BoR
+a 1300+ evasion shield to get 7 000 - 10 000 evasion at a minimal cost.



let's add an anvil
and GLADIATOR ascendancy ! ( i previously written champ before, it was a mistake)

now we can enjoy 78% block/ 75% block spell .

Atziri's step to get 15% spell dodge.



RT


482% increased (staff increase doesnt count)

101% attack speed


With this attack speed, bor and rings with physical damage will give enough damage for 80+ maps solo.


You get 5K hp 78% block 75% spell block 15% spell dodge 10 000 evasion 3000 armor and decent dps with a cheap build, less than 6 ex.

If you prefer an armor shield, you will reach great amount of physical reduction but it will not avoid elemental attack damage and it's a big downside on maps with elemental damage mods.

With a fortify gem you will be able to sustain most content, but you will never tank a "oneshot" mechanic that is not blocked or dodged so do not facetank atziri or dominus facepalm. Thoo you will never be scared by packs of monsters or rares and only few bosses will be difficult. (core & coliseum bosses, village ruin caustic arrow)

another way to play this build or similar build would be abyssus + lightning coil but it's not budget and it's more risky but the dps will be greater... thoo you should play facebreaker instead or remove rt to use the crit multiplier, but then you need crit chance nodes and accuracy. Then you need to remove a lot of points to push the dps higher but you will ultimately die oneshooted by heavy physical damage once in a while. Not balanced, not optimized.


A similar system could be achevied with energy shield instead of evasion but it's more difficult and would need zeloth oath or ghost reaver.


For attack skill, i suggest sunder + GLADIATOR gratuitous violence to make chain explosions with the aoe of sunder.

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Deadpeng a écrit :

This weapon over here costed me only 20 chaos and no amount of investment in your Varunstras can ever beat the DPS you can get out of this hammer. Just because you are trying hard, it does not mean some low budget weapon GGG made will work out.

Dude, if you're not going to contribute,then kindly shut the fuck up. He didn't ask about your stupid weapon, he asked about how to best build around the ones he has. I mean, nearly every fucking post of yours is completely negative and unhelpful. If you'd bothered to sit and theorycraft for a damn you'd realise just how much potential this weapon has.

Also, the only reason you got that weapon for 20c is that 1h rt mace builds aren't much good for anything. At all. Varunastra is so much better it's not even funny.

To the OP, sorry for derailing. I'd build this more like a crit dagger build in terms of gear. That means lightning coil, rat's nest(abyssus if you have balls and can afford taste of hate), shadows and dust for your uniques. Crit jewellery, along with belt and boots with lots of resistances.
Cant give you a skill tree because I'm away from computer and will be for quite a while. However I can give you a general idea. Start as an assassin, go north of shadow for dagger and claw crit, get the dagger nodes to the right of shadow but not the claw ones (they're pretty bad tbh). Go down, get acrobatics and phase. Go through ranger and get twin terrors and sword crit nodes. Go to duelist for life, regeneration and dual wield nodes. Get all the life, jewel sockets and frenzy charges. Proceed to pwn the game.

do not be too offensiiiiiive maaaaaan, calm down! breath!


well, imma destroy your dream a bit, sorry !


Varanustra will never beat a decent dagger. Whateva you do with the nodes, you will get more efficiency per point spend if you use dagger nodes + bino.

Because you would need more points to get the same crit' efficiency with varu.


Perf bino has almost 10% crit and a bit more than 240 dps

varanustra has 5% crit and 280 dps.

So you need two times the % crit chance to get the same chance to crit in the end.

varanustra has 16% more dps than bino but it's crit chance is lower.

But abyssus and physical damage on gear will make this difference lower and lower.



The only triple dipping crit node is in the deadly dilettante wheel, it gives 75%.


You will need so many points to compensate.


And when you try to compensate, you lose a lot of points by travelling everywhere and picking everything. You sacrifice too much.

Yes you can pick 164643214 % increased, but once it's done, what's left for your survivability?

Bino dagger never lacked damage with the dagger nodes around shadow area, why will you pick all thoses nodes and sacrifice your survivability?

There is only two very good wheels for varu and it's at the maraudeur and duelist/ranger areas.

I do not say that your idea is bad, but if you use daggers nodes, are you sure that it's optimal to use varu?

The sword nodes are great, yes! but will they compensate the lack of crit of varu? i'm not sure.