Melee is the worst bullshit ever in poe

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goetzjam a écrit :

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And it's just cheap and bullshit to tell someone he isn't allowed to discuss because he doesn't fulfill requirement xyz.
"Your opinion doesn't mean shit because you don't have a lvl 100 hardcore shieldcharge duelist. Bla bla bla, I'll ignore everything you write."
Yeah, sounds legit. Not.

Lol I know right, its like people aren't allowed to have an opionion unless they've maxed out a character.

It's even funnier when he was asked for that by someone with low level characters only. I'd add that asking someone defending melee to prove himself that melee is doing good is like assuming nobody never did anything/is not doing anything good with a melee character (there is no need to prove something already proved by someone else, if you're logically healthy), and that assumption is beyond stupid.

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goetzjam a écrit :

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And it's just cheap and bullshit to tell someone he isn't allowed to discuss because he doesn't fulfill requirement xyz.
"Your opinion doesn't mean shit because you don't have a lvl 100 hardcore shieldcharge duelist. Bla bla bla, I'll ignore everything you write."
Yeah, sounds legit. Not.

Lol I know right, its like people aren't allowed to have an opionion unless they've maxed out a character.

No, you're perfectly entitled to have your opinion, it just doesn't mean anything. What matters is the actual results on the ladder. All I need to do is point to duelist on bloodlines ladder and I autowin this debate.

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Voidbearers - shoot them up.
Avian Retches - shoot them up.
Heavy hitters like Bone giants - shoot them up.

What's the point of this?
What reward do you get for playing?
Do you think you deserve your levels? Do you think you played well?

When I play Melee and fight certain mobs and beat them, I feel rewarded.

(ignoring all other parts and previous posts)

this applies to melee too

once you get 'good enough' (gear/survivability) - be honest - do you care about what you kill? (in bloodlines it might be bit trickier but still). i know i play SC but after lvl 8x deaths hurt and noone likes these.

melee steamrolls stuff just like ranged dudes do. there is little difference in 'couldnt care less'ness' about 'content' slain

and what kills you in the end ARE NOT MOBS. it is some kind of random BS (like duo of underwater reflect packs or reflect pack emerging from the ground to say 'hi, sucker', like desynced 'volatile in -max' that ought to be somewhere else but stood just on top of you, like box-freeze + summoner Exile in 'extra lightning map'.. etc)

melee is more susceptible to such BS and by a long shot. but it can slay anonymous content just as brainless'ly as ranged. i most cases i cannot tell what mobs ive killed in last map run. with good enough build i do not care..

+1 sidtherat for getting it

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Legatus1982 a écrit :

No, you're perfectly entitled to have your opinion, it just doesn't mean anything. What matters is the actual results on the ladder. All I need to do is point to duelist on bloodlines ladder and I autowin this debate.

Someone did some nice graphs and showed that of all classes, about half are still alive, half are dead.

The absolute numbers show preferences of players. Or the fact that it's easier and cheaper to roll a caster in a fresh league.
They don't tell anything about the balance of playstyles (relevant for this debate).

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Wait? There is actually ladders in this game. I thought I was the only one playing this damn game, geez, no wonder why I sense so much sadness in this forum.

Lol, ladders mean everything, because we don't see duelist in top 10 melee = shit.

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The ladders are there for epeen stuff which I find it very sad, to some extent a data sheet for GGG, and autowin debaters. Luckily, I do not fit in any category.

Ladder is truly pointless, people that point to that to whether or not melee is balance just has nothing else to point to.

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I play with melee characters, and I am doing well enough just as much as my ranged characters are doing. I just won the game. [

You didn't win the game, you aren't on top of the ladder in bloodlines. /s

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Peterlerock a écrit :

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Legatus1982 a écrit :

No, you're perfectly entitled to have your opinion, it just doesn't mean anything. What matters is the actual results on the ladder. All I need to do is point to duelist on bloodlines ladder and I autowin this debate.

Someone did some nice graphs and showed that of all classes, about half are still alive, half are dead.

The absolute numbers show preferences of players. Or the fact that it's easier and cheaper to roll a caster in a fresh league.
They don't tell anything about the balance of playstyles (relevant for this debate).

That's why you move the bracket up and look at performance in higher levels relative to selection.

For example, the graph you're referring to showed about 3-4% of duelists out of the top 15k. Moving up to the top 200, you might see 1 duelist. That's a massive dropoff.

Also the two of you stroking each other aren't actually accomplishing anything or saying anything relevant here.

The ladders do a good job at indicating class performance, I'm sorry you don't feel that way but it's reality.