Zealot's Oath

It applies % regen nodes to ES instead of HP, and uses the ES as base? What? How is that balanced? Even without CI being massively OP you can still get way higher ES than HP. I guess my melee CI/ZO/GR build might actually be alright. I was honestly just making something random to play with a friend, and expected it to be kind of useless.

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cGramma a écrit :

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CNKalmah a écrit :

ZO is broken - just a total CI buff. IMO it should be based on what your life is (or would have been if you take CI) instead of ES.

Then it would be absolutely worthless as you'd end up with a very low amount of regen. Not to mention that picking up life regen from the tree is already very inconvenient for CI builds except for Templar (who still has to basically waste a skill point to reach the regen node at his start). Both Troll's and Golem's blood are far away from Witch/Shadow, the two classes most likely to get CI. Which is okay I guess but that doesn't make ZO broken for CI. And if it's a buff for CI then I'm fine with that, it got nerfed enough already.

you can still get 10k ES no problem.. templar gets shit on in every way. CI has GR/ZO now, OP combo right there. Why even put it in the templar area? Just to piss templars off that why, and they raped dual totems now. GG templar.

No, you can't get 10k ES "no problem". Who told you this bullshit? And dual totems had to be nerfed, last one week race was a perfect example for that.

This keystone really should be based off % life and not ES. Since it is in the templar area it makes sense that it should benefit templars more than witches.

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cGramma a écrit :

No, you can't get 10k ES "no problem". Who told you this bullshit? And dual totems had to be nerfed, last one week race was a perfect example for that.

I can get 10k ES no problem, if you were here in CB you would've seen people walking around with 6-10K ES with a glass cannon build.

I want to see GGG stop making keystones that are made to directly benefit taking other keystones.. (good example = US/IR)

Also templar is by far the worst class for anything other than totems, there's NOTHING interesting on his side. AT ALL.

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CNKalmah a écrit :

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cGramma a écrit :

No, you can't get 10k ES "no problem". Who told you this bullshit? And dual totems had to be nerfed, last one week race was a perfect example for that.

I can get 10k ES no problem, if you were here in CB you would've seen people walking around with 6-10K ES with a glass cannon build.

I want to see GGG stop making keystones that are made to directly benefit taking other keystones.. (good example = US/IR)

Also templar is by far the worst class for anything other than totems, there's NOTHING interesting on his side. AT ALL.

Closed beta you could get 6k ES pretty easily yeah. Open beta you're lucky to have 1000 ES at level 50.

They nerfed it, hard. You can't get substantially more ES than HP anymore. We're talking OBT not CBT, stay with the times. Grandpa.

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CNKalmah a écrit :

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cGramma a écrit :

No, you can't get 10k ES "no problem". Who told you this bullshit? And dual totems had to be nerfed, last one week race was a perfect example for that.

I can get 10k ES no problem, if you were here in CB you would've seen people walking around with 6-10K ES with a glass cannon build.

I want to see GGG stop making keystones that are made to directly benefit taking other keystones.. (good example = US/IR)

Also templar is by far the worst class for anything other than totems, there's NOTHING interesting on his side. AT ALL.

Yeah, I was in CB... I've joined like half a year before you. I'm perfectly aware what kind of ES values were achievable in CB, I played a CI Witch myself and got to 8-9k ES. It's definitely not as easy now, the gear and skill point requirements are way higher than before the nerf. So no, you can't get 10k ES "no problem". Regarding Templars, theres plenty of them in the top 50 of HC ladder so they seem to be doing just fine. They can do a lot more than simple totem builds.

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CNKalmah a écrit :

Also templar is by far the worst class for anything other than totems, there's NOTHING interesting on his side. AT ALL.

Except Templars make really good elemental weapon builds, both ranged and melee.

Tried ZO as a melee templar and was really disappointed.
When I think of Zealots I thought of elemental damage melee warrior... but I was wrong.

ZO is based on ES pool.
Melee templar is a hybrid class and CI is NOT an option because strength is needed for tank and gank.
With ZO I waste the benefit of my strength: bigger health pool and higher innate life regen.

What are the gains? Constant ES regen (but at lower rate = bad), perma 50% stun resist and constant ES regen upon damage.

Losses: Chaos raped.

WHY EVEN BOTHER PUTTING THIS NEAR TEMPLAR? throwing a bone at us for lacking keystones?

ZO is a purely caster INT keystone and should not be near a STR/INT class...

I will give it another try after improving my ES pool... but still wont like being chaos raped.

Looks like I will require Rejuvenation and devouring totems with ZO melee-templar build.

Why don't you just grab CI...? Also, ZO is pretty damn close to the witch tree, and a caster shadow can get it easily too.