Energy Shield vs Armor - Chaos Inoculation?

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Phantom_Sun a écrit :

None you guys have mentioned CI enables low life/ full life builds, and opens up your health pool to extra mana reservation? That's a pretty big advantage.

ci doesn't enable low life builds, if anything you can't have low life + CI since your life is either full or dead

health pool to extra reservation... what? you have 1 life. Auras reserved in life always round that up so even at 99.9 less mana rserved, opening an aura with BM would kill you...

and full life... ? what about it? CI doesn't offer you anything for it, yeah you are always full life and if your ES empties you die, without CI you are always full life and if your ES empties.. you lose full life bonuses till you recover.. how is this even a bonus?

I use CI, i am melee, i have no armour and no evasion. And if i ever die, i die from elemental damage (and almost never - from physical).
Al your theorycrafting is a bullshit because armour doesnt affect elemental damage at all, and evasion is too random without going full evasion/block/dodge.

CI character needs no evasion and no armour, all defence he needs comes from ENERGY SHIELD and resistances. Same as pure-evasion acrobatic char doesnt need any armour or ES...

If you die from physical damage as CI,try immortal call with CWDT. IF you still die from physical damage, then your build/gear is just too weak.

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MortalKombat3 a écrit :

I use CI, i am melee, i have no armour and no evasion. And if i ever die, i die from elemental damage (and almost never - from physical).
Al your theorycrafting is a bullshit because armour doesnt affect elemental damage at all, and evasion is too random without going full evasion/block/dodge.

CI character needs no evasion and no armour, all defence he needs comes from ENERGY SHIELD and resistances. Same as pure-evasion acrobatic char doesnt need any armour or ES...

If you die from physical damage as CI,try immortal call with CWDT. IF you still die from physical damage, then your build/gear is just too weak.

CI/GR melee with a lot of leech is really ok.

but as i said before, CI builds ARE viable, they are just more expensive to build

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MortalKombat3 a écrit :

I use CI, i am melee, i have no armour and no evasion. And if i ever die, i die from elemental damage (and almost never - from physical).
Al your theorycrafting is a bullshit because armour doesnt affect elemental damage at all, and evasion is too random without going full evasion/block/dodge.

CI character needs no evasion and no armour, all defence he needs comes from ENERGY SHIELD and resistances. Same as pure-evasion acrobatic char doesnt need any armour or ES...

If you die from physical damage as CI,try immortal call with CWDT. IF you still die from physical damage, then your build/gear is just too weak.

There is nothing here that would be CI specific. If a CI character survives without armor/evasion, life would survive as well.

CI is just a trade off between chaos damage and physical damage... You get to ignore chaos damage (which is pretty rare, but it easily melts you if you run with negative chaos resists), at the cost of having little mitigation for physical damage (unless going with grace). Usually you can have some evasion from gear, like Alpha's Howl or Maligaro's if you're going for a melee/crit build.

The other advantages of CI would be: always on full life (melee dmg on full life comes for free), blood rage comes for free, no need for hp flasks (so you can carry only granites/jades/utility flasks).

The disadvantages are: very vulnerable to status ailments/stun, no emergency hp flasks, no armor (unless taking IR).

Any build that's not going summoner/totem (which can slack off a bit on defenses since they won't be taking too much damage) requires a good chestpiece and a good shield. CI builds are very gear dependant, they need a 7-800 ES chestpiece and a 300+ ES shield by lategame, plus Eye of Chayula and Alpha's Howl/Dream Fragment, which together can cost several exalted.

Right now I do agree that pure HP builds are superior, since they stack easily 5k hp + all the other benefits. Life passives give even more %hp than ES passives right now...

Hybrid hp/ES builds don't work very well, since they require passives in both life and ES. They have to get a big enough hp pool to withstand chaos damage, plus a decent ES pool to justify the hybrid route... And since hey won't have a big hp pool, they will actually need chaos resist gear, or they will die to chaos dmg before they can react (or get a Shavronne, which is even more expensive than a high ES chestpiece...)

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Cenion a écrit :

Getting twice the ES to life is bullshit. I am not even sure it is possible to get 10000 ES. Certainly not without sacrificing all armor/evasion. Getting 5000 life though is nothing special.

Infact without discipline aura I would have less ES on my shadow than I have life on my duelist and I am using a shield with hundreds of ES on shadow while my duelist is dual wielding.

CI is weak compared to life builds right now, but it has its benefits. Immunity to chaos damage is pretty sweet and being able to regenerate your entire ES pool in a few seconds helps against some bosses.

CI builds routinely break the 10k mark.

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Autocthon a écrit :

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Cenion a écrit :

Getting twice the ES to life is bullshit. I am not even sure it is possible to get 10000 ES. Certainly not without sacrificing all armor/evasion. Getting 5000 life though is nothing special.

Infact without discipline aura I would have less ES on my shadow than I have life on my duelist and I am using a shield with hundreds of ES on shadow while my duelist is dual wielding.

CI is weak compared to life builds right now, but it has its benefits. Immunity to chaos damage is pretty sweet and being able to regenerate your entire ES pool in a few seconds helps against some bosses.

CI builds routinely break the 10k mark.

You break 10k ES only if you have the best gear possible (1k ES chestpiece, 500 shield and 4-500 circlet)... a more realistic ES pool would be 7k if you're going pure ES... Or 5k if you have hybrid gear.

The ES nodes behind CI really help a lot. That being said, Grace+IR gives you a lot of armour.

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Cenion a écrit :

There is nothing here that would be CI specific. If a CI character survives without armor/evasion, life would survive as well.

Life character cant have so many life as ES char without picking every life node ne can and using legacy Kaom. CI character, on the other hand, can invest saved skill points into DPS, for example, while life character will be forced to take every life node to have OK amounts of life.

I had 16,2k ES once, and i had quite cheap gear, but i was summoner...

Anyway, thats the answer for those who think that 10k ES is not possible.