Reduced Mana reservation - passive points

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faerwin2 a écrit :

Let's say you have 400 mana without any mana increasing mods.


You use a 40% mana reservation skill, which, without anything else, leave you with 240 mana.


If you have a 8% increased mana node, you have 432 base mana and end up reserving 173 mana which leave you with 259 mana.

If you have a 5% reduced reservation cost, your reservation cost drop to 140 and that leaves you with 260 mana.

srsly? :D WOW :D You just proved a point that I wasnt even trying to make. Mana reservvation only works for, well, mana reservation stuff, +8%mana works for, well, all . :D

anyway. I j ust did some ih my head calcs. If you had 3000 mana as a witch, some decent mana leech and regen, take 95% mana on reserve, you still dont need mana reservation skill, your 5% of mana would regen in less then a second, faster than anyone of us can click shit, nd certainly much faster than witch needs to use mana.

solution - mana reservation fixed point in time and space - % to existing values, but lower the values, make them 1.5%, far aprart. I will still go for +8% with duelist :D

Almost everyone use some sort of mana reservation.

A witch usually use the energy shield aura and possibly clarity (which takes a huge amount of mana btw). They are comparable to a 8% mana node if you don't have any of those nodes and reserve 40% of your mana. If you already have 8% mana nodes, then the mana reservation aura becomes better and better compared to other 8% mana nodes (those nodes add themselves rather than multiply each others).

5% reduced mana reservation is also better than a 8% mana node if you reserve more than 40% of your mana.

8% mana is better if you are reserving less than 35%~ of your mana while having no other mana% increases. It can also be better than a 5% reservation cost reduction node if you already have other nodes that reduce reservation costs.


The point I'm trying to make is that a 8% mana increase node has some situations where it's better and some situations where it's worse. This is the way the passive skill tree is intended.


edit: You also have a flawed understanding of how mana regeneration works.

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faerwin2 a écrit :

Almost everyone use some sort of mana reservation.

A witch usually use the energy shield aura and possibly clarity (which takes a huge amount of mana btw)

i do to if needed. I need only 30-40 mana each second, I dont need 200 so it's fine, I am duelist atm.

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They are comparable to a 8% mana node if you don't have any of those nodes and reserve 40% of your mana. If you already have 8% mana nodes, then the mana reservation aura becomes better and better compared to other 8% mana nodes (those nodes add themselves rather than multiply each others).

ok, if you alredy have all those +8 then +5 for auras is logical step. So why do I have them in vincenty of greens? I am a green dude. I can't take all the others first so I wonder why do they even hinder my way up?

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5% reduced mana reservation is also better than a 8% mana node if you reserve more than 40% of your mana.

it depends on how much mana do you need. Do you really need 1000+ mana all the time? is there a skill that takes 1000 mana? No. For duelist, It can take up to 40 mana ( all combined support gems, maybe more) that on 1000 mana with +leech mana and +regen mana takes...it doesnt, it;s there. All I need to do is build big enough mana pool. 1000 is easy level 40+ +8 is a lot at that point, gear alone gives me 200+ or even more. Thats my point. Reserve as much but I still have more then I can spend.


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dit: You also have a flawed understanding of how mana regeneration works.

once again you are mistaken. Game developer made it clear few posts ago. I am 100% sure how it works. It's not worth it IMO, not even for a witch unless there is nothing else to spend points on, and I am sure I would spend them for +int rather then for +5% reduction. But hey, it's a choice. :)

edit: I am not sure you folks understand my point: I fI have 5000 mana, having 4500 reserved is nothing, 500 is plenty. No need to hunt for +5% to minus 30% or whatever. Like DPS mana per second you need is the value, THE value. Looking at my tree it is far more convinient to take +8 then reductions. Even of it means more auras. If I were a witch, diference would be even even bigger in favor of +8% mana. she doesnt need 1000 mana either. only what she can spend per second.

Clearly if you are only using a single aura, such a node probably isn't worth if for your build, as you have already noted yourself. But do be careful when you try to assume "this node is useless for everyone and it's totally pointless all the time," especially when a game developer has already attempted to assure you that it is, in fact, useful for some players.

I have seen some random builds while lurking around the forums that use ridiculous amounts of auras: I've seen at least one claim of 8 auras at once. A 5% reduced reservation cost on each one of those auras is quite significant, as the benefit is multiplied for each aura you use.

Just to illustrate, imagine that you have 500 mana and you are using several auras that reserve 90% of your total mana: that leaves you with only 50 mana to work with. If you were to reduce that 90% reservation by 5%, you end up with 85.5% reservation, which leaves you with 72.5 mana to work with. That means a single node can give this build a 45% increase in effective mana. It's enough extra mana to add another aura with a flat-mana cost, or to just have a bit more mana to use with whatever skills the build calls for.

To compare, an 8% increase in total mana would only give you 54 mana to use, which is only 4 additional mana. The 5% reduced mana reservation gives more than 5 times the amount of additional effective mana (comparing +4 mana with +22.5 mana.)

I haven't came across the information yet and i'm sure it's out there but i'll ask anyway for the sake of anyone else wondering. I haven't had a chance to check but i'm assuming this stacks with the Reduced Mana support gem? For example, Vitality Reserves 40% of mana. IF we link a level 20 Reduced Mana gem giving us 71%... would the 5% passive add to that making it a total flat rate of 66%? Or would we be looking at something more complex such as 71% of the 40% reserved = 28.4%, then again by 5% of the subtotal of 28.4% becoming 26.95% reserved. I'm assuming it's NOT the latter but without actually testing it or knowing how things are coded....

Hopefully that made sense... Due to lack of sleep last night my wording could and should be a lot clearer.

It is the latter, 40*(.71)*(95)=final

Just 1 simple question (dont wanna start a new thread for that):

Does "reduced mana cost of skills" like "Arcane Efficiency" work with auras? Or does only the "reduced mana reserved" work with auras?

I think these nodes would be worthwhile to invest into if reduced mana reservation and reduced mana cost were combined as a single node type (like the support gem). Otherwize, it appeals only to specific builds that run tons of aura.

And even then, I agree 100% with Ludak021's post.

If you get all four of these nodes and combine them with reduced mana support gem, you can run quite a number of auras you couldn't, trying to stack mana with +mana nodes. Thus, there is a purpose to them.