Bow physical damage support gem

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VictorDoom a écrit :

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ScrotieMcB a écrit :

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VictorDoom a écrit :

thats too much text.. for not much use, the most armor a mob has is 930

That is a damn dirty lie. Plated much?

those mobs are really rare, the number isnt a lie, i got that number from neon.

Hmmm. In any case, I still worded the gem to break Endurance Charges, so it would be useful for those mobs that do that crap. Which I know isn't often, but still.

Interesting for PvP anyway.

I'm gonna go search for armour and Neon. edit: The only thing I'm finding is you saying the same thing about Neon over and over. Did you ask about flat physical resistance?

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ScrotieMcB a écrit :

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VictorDoom a écrit :

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ScrotieMcB a écrit :

That is a damn dirty lie. Plated much?

those mobs are really rare, the number isnt a lie, i got that number from neon.

Hmmm. In any case, I still worded the gem to break Endurance Charges, so it would be useful for those mobs that do that crap. Which I know isn't often, but still.

Interesting for PvP anyway.

I'm gonna go search for armour and Neon. edit: The only thing I'm finding is you saying the same thing about Neon over and over. Did you ask about flat physical resistance?

search for neon, as in PM him or something, or domis or nugis stream when they called me up for a chat, i cant remember when that was though


in any case, we should really try to get a ranged MPD gem, or at least make this thread seen


Edit: no, i asked him to tell me life, damage, resistances etc. he only gave me the mob armor number, thats the only thing he could tell me, and he let me tell it to everyone.. It was also on mumble, so you cant find it on the forums.

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ScrotieMcB a écrit :

I'm gonna go search for armour and Neon. edit: The only thing I'm finding is you saying the same thing about Neon over and over. Did you ask about flat physical resistance?

http://www.twitch.tv/fireknight747/b/401083276

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983 armor is the highest amount of armor a mob can have in the game.


Now, bout the gem, you dont need it to penetrate armor, you only need a ranged % more phys damage gem, since it already breaks the armor.

I'm with Vic here; I was never too fond of the Armor Penetration idea. It really only helps those that deal small amounts of physical damage per hit.

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Iao a écrit :

I'm with Vic here; I was never too fond of the Armor Penetration idea. It really only helps those that deal small amounts of physical damage per hit.

You mean it primarily helps them, and yes, that's true.

To be honest, I don't think ranged (physical or not) deserves yet another support gem dedicated towards advancing its purposes. Melee still needs help, and I'd rather put out something that helps (fast-hitting) physical melee, which physical ranged could also use.

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ScrotieMcB a écrit :

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Iao a écrit :

I'm with Vic here; I was never too fond of the Armor Penetration idea. It really only helps those that deal small amounts of physical damage per hit.

You mean it primarily helps them, and yes, that's true.

To be honest, I don't think ranged (physical or not) deserves yet another support gem dedicated towards advancing its purposes. Melee still needs help, and I'd rather put out something that helps (fast-hitting) physical melee, which physical ranged could also use.

Helps who exactly? In the endgame, whatever build you do, you will very likely have more than 1.000 physical damage on hit at some point, even with cyclone, after you reach 1k you break through the armor, around 10% of the damage will be mitigated.

This makes a armor penetration gem redundant.

What needs to be done to buff melee is to add the old CI back, remove ghost reaver and zealots oath, buff life nodes again and lower mob damage. Drastic, i know, but it will work, this is was the way the game was when ground slam marauders were in the top ladder in HC.


But that, is another discussion, here, we just want a ranged Pyhsical Damage gem..its about time in my opinion one was put in, just make it so LA users cant use it, like Iao said, make it only apply the physical damage increase on hit.

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VictorDoom a écrit :

Helps who exactly? In the endgame, whatever build you do, you will very likely have more than 1.000 physical damage on hit at some point, even with cyclone, after you reach 1k you break through the armor, around 10% of the damage will be mitigated.

This makes a armor penetration gem redundant.

I strongly, strongly suspect that some monsters might lack armour, but instead have a percentage-based physical resistance. Plus there is plated.

I think it would be more intuitive to convert any percentage-based physical mitigation (except for when monsters gain endurance charges) to actual armour, while simultaneously implementing this gem so as to not gimp fast-attacking builds in PvE.

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ScrotieMcB a écrit :

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VictorDoom a écrit :

Helps who exactly? In the endgame, whatever build you do, you will very likely have more than 1.000 physical damage on hit at some point, even with cyclone, after you reach 1k you break through the armor, around 10% of the damage will be mitigated.

This makes a armor penetration gem redundant.

I strongly, strongly suspect that some monsters might lack armour, but instead have a percentage-based physical resistance. Plus there is plated.

I think it would be more intuitive to convert any percentage-based physical mitigation (except for when monsters gain endurance charges) to actual armour, while simultaneously implementing this gem so as to not gimp fast-attacking builds in PvE.

Your suspicion is misplaced, yes, like the player they all have a 5% base DR, the only other percentage based DR mobs and get, like players, are enduring cry mobs which are rare, and so are plated mobs which have increased armor, again, can not be a large number.

The only use for armor penetration is for PvP, but we already have vulnerability for that, so, there is no use for it because of how armor is designed to work, which is why they didnt add one.


Ranged physical damage on hit, would be nice, and i think its about time we get this support, halp GGG!