Marohi Erqi vs High end Maul

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KuroBear a écrit :

6-8 exalt unlinked
7-12 exalt 5 linked
25-35 exalt 6 linked

Is that a fair estimate of price range?

You're about there, but i would say range is more like that:

3-6 unlinked

7-10 5 linked

27 - 35 6 linked

I know what i am talking about. I buy and sell Marohis all the time and use a 6-link myself atm.
It's an interesting weapon. BiS for a lot of builds, but not for every build of course

There have been some very helpful posts here, thanks.

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Yoman a écrit :

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Interesting calculations.

But you fail on the fundemental thought that all AOE builds will suffer that much from the -30% radius on conc. effects.

In your calculations you've always presumed that Marohi Erqi will be used with conc. effect and that all rares won't be. And also includes stats from gems in only the Marohi calculations.

Like this quote for example:

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654+387 /2 = ~521 DPS mace with 5L or 6L. a bit lower dps if you shift more in the singletarget direction , and more (towards 654) if you do more aoe.

521 DPS mace WITH an support gem you mean.
If we would have been using that mirrored mace with conc. effect we would end up with 800+ dps as an example. See where I'm going?

It's all depending on the specific build.

Therefore I'd like to disagree with these quotes:

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All in all, its probably not possible to have a mace that does more AOE damage than a 6L Maroqi.

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FYI: both maces posted above do less DPS than a maroqi in terms of AOE and even on a 50:50 aoe:st distribution

Precisely i had the rather standard stuff like Ground Slam in mind. -30% to the range of Ground Slam based off the default range is well...bad. And of course i consider a Conc Effect on a Marohi a given because of the free effect on increased aoe it brings.

So yes it's for "we do damage on the same radius with our aoe skills" (ok 2% difference here)

I mean, why do not take advantage of the bonus the marohi has? Other maces do not have that bonus, and for Aoe damage you either take the disadvantage of the waay lower radius or you will have a really hard time upping other maces to the same level of damage when it comes to aoe.

So which aoe attacks for a 2H mace user would you be using where -30% aoe radius will not be of much importance - and how? Lightning Strike came to my mind but its not "AOE" tagged.

Of course other maces will be better in single target dps or the weapon looks better at first, but what does it take for you to consider a Marohi "beaten" in terms of aoe damage and usefulness?


Hey, im not perfect and my thoughts are maybe not. But instead of "it is better because i say it is" like others did in the thread i try to reason with the numbers behind it. Theres always room for improvement or things i did not think about first. But thats why its a discussion forum.

So how would you use one of these other maces to do "better" (and how do you define better in that case, just pure raw damage ignoring the radius?) in terms of aoe?

If the Marohi gives an increased area of effect of level 15 gem equivalent to 28% range increase then would 5linking and also using increased area of effect gem, fully levelled, give an effective result as follows;

1.28 x 1.33 = 1.7

Essentially an obscene amount of additiona range..

(Just tried on a carcass jack, which I got as a drop and was supprised how much the extra range makes)

i dont think it stacks with the gem because it gives you the exact gem at level16, not "increased Radius of Area skills". therefore conc effect = 69% MORE aoe damage for just -2% radius on a Marohi

Cool thanks,

Now can anyone here confirm if they found it an improvement to go from a high end dps rare maul to a Marohi?

(I have nearly raised the funds for a 5 link but still not certain to give up current)

ie will it be better than this if 5 linked?
(forget the unlinked sockets, was attepting to 5 min socket it and 5 link it.)

Something people easily overlook is mitigation: physical damage benefits from high burst because of the way armor is calculated. Therefore a higher damage, slower weapon is preferable and does more actual damage. This factor gives Marohi an additional edge over rare mauls with higher DPS.

I feel that its no point hitting faster unless you want to deal critical
hits.

If you dsp is the same as the unique maul dsp but u have high speed, it just means you need to calculate def reduction more

More over your dmg per hit is lower, armor reduction calculation will make you deal.lesser.


I personally have been using this with a fee axe node




My heavy strike is 0.56spd after all the buff. But I am already looking into resetting the axe dmg passive node to mace and change my weapon to the unique just to get the 40~50 more RAW physical to boos my dmg per hit

Multi strike > Faster Attacks?!