The defensive stats are actually pretty balanced

-Health: Universal defense. Bad against multiple targets good against burst.
-Health regen/life gain on hit: Universal defense. Better than max hp for sustained damage worst for burst. Optimized for tanky builds
-Life leech: Similar to health regen but more optimized for glass cannon builds
-ES: Specialized defense for kiting hard countered by chaos. CI arguably makes it the best defensive stat but is balanced by a need for very expensive gear
-Armor: Scales better than hp vs physical but worthless vs spells. Best defense against swarms of weak enemies, worthless vs burst or 1 strong enemy because it becomes less effective the higher the damage
-Evasion: scales better than hp vs physical but worthless vs spells. Bad against swarms of weak enemies you end up being stun locked. Great against burst since it doesnt scale backwards like armor.
-Block chance: A physical reduction stat that scales better than armor/evasion but you sacrifice dps for the abiltiy to block
-Resistance: Scales better than hp vs spells but worthless vs physical
-Chaos resist: Rarest form of damage in the game. Rarest form of mitigation in the game.
-Flasks: Allows you to cover your weaknesses. Resistence/armor for specialized defense. Generic flask for sustained damage seething/panicked flask for burst. Quicksilver flask for kiting

Good. Someone actually understands.

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Gravis a écrit :

Good. Someone actually understands.

Both you and TC haven't had a character past 60.

Oh, sweet. I get to post this again.

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Swordsman001 a écrit :

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Gravis a écrit :

Good. Someone actually understands.

Both you and TC haven't had a character past 60.

You max resists.
You get as much HP as you can without loosing on your DPS.
You use enfeeble.
You use granite of iron skin

You play evasion. You go to SC.

Happy now?

My real point is - here's a guy that doesn't whine and sees the defensive stats as they are. Because in all honestly in what tragedy of a game you saw evasion being a primary/good defensive stat, let alone better than armor/physical defense or elemental resistances? In what tragedy of a game you saw glass cannons being good solo, let alone "hardcore mode" ? In what tragedy of a game (WoW comes to mind), did you freaking stood there and facetanked a boss without a 1-3 supports spamming heal on you?

Evasion is not meant to be a primary or good defensive status.
Armor is perfectly fine as it is - some hits are meant to be evaded by pressing our left mouse button to anywhere else you're standing at that time.
HP is supposed to be increased if you don't want to constantly die.

On paper the stats are actually balanced.

Energy Shield - Great Idea in terms of creating a buffer above health that can't be regen'd with instant heal pots or HoT pots, can double health at points and if micro'd right regens quickly. Doesn't count towards Elemental Status effects, good trade off.

Armor - The Value is either really really good or really poor, there isn't a middle ground, I agree with the lesser hits do low damage and larger hits to more damage, But I think maximum and minimum damage values need to be built into it. By that I mean the maximum armor can reduce small hits too would be 30% of the damage taken (10 becomes 3 and nothing lower) and the maximum a large hit bypasses armor would be 70% (A large enough hit shouldn't remove what someone is investing in)

Evasion - This feels more of a support damage mitigation tool as it does nothing for reducing damage when actually hit. I know its not random (so there isn't a string of hits or dodges) however with 10 mobs on you even if you maintain a 50% evasion rate the damage is still too high. Damage still feels spiky and investing into it doesn't feel rewarding. I've always thought evasion could be a double roll, first one for dodging and the second for a glancing blow (perhaps -30% reduction in damage). My other problem is evasion isn't always applied, charges from roa's for example aren't evadible.

Block - Block is obscure and as far as I know random (unlike evasion), this is again a support damage mitigation tool and one I feel is in a good spot, however due to the failings of other types and certain attacks feels underwhelming as the times you don't block do enough damage you don't notice, or perhaps their is no sound associated with it to let you know how much you are actually blocking.

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Gravis a écrit :

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Swordsman001 a écrit :

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Gravis a écrit :

Good. Someone actually understands.

Both you and TC haven't had a character past 60.

You max resists.
You get as much HP as you can without loosing on your DPS.
You use enfeeble.
You use granite of iron skin

You play evasion. You go to SC.

Happy now?

My real point is - here's a guy that doesn't whine and sees the defensive stats as they are. Because in all honestly in what tragedy of a game you saw evasion being a primary/good defensive stat, let alone better than armor/physical defense or elemental resistances? In what tragedy of a game you saw glass cannons being good solo, let alone "hardcore mode" ? In what tragedy of a game (WoW comes to mind), did you freaking stood there and facetanked a boss without a 1-3 supports spamming heal on you?

Evasion is not meant to be a primary or good defensive status.
Armor is perfectly fine as it is - some hits are meant to be evaded by pressing our left mouse button to anywhere else you're standing at that time.
HP is supposed to be increased if you don't want to constantly die.

I agree on anhything except armor, if you must trade blows to kill the monster, it needs to be possible

You know what they say about theoretical and practical: in theory there is no difference but in practice..

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magiceffect a écrit :

I agree on anhything except armor, if you must trade blows to kill the monster, it needs to be possible

I meant armor example as - don't stand in front of a map brutus or Vaal, die and then come and spam forums with "nerf pls".

This thread needs more HP.