[3.13] "EQ JUGG" EARTHQUAKE T H I C C JUGGERNAUT Build 2021 Edition (Staff/Mace) + UBER ELDER!

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X3n_ a écrit :

"X is shit, also here's me admitting I don't actually know whether or not it's shit even though it can easily be tested, but I'm gonna say it's shit regardless because I of all people didn't think about using it"

Auf. Dude, chill the f out




Also, PoB-update just released

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Thoromuerte a écrit :

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X3n_ a écrit :

"X is shit, also here's me admitting I don't actually know whether or not it's shit even though it can easily be tested, but I'm gonna say it's shit regardless because I of all people didn't think about using it"

Auf. Dude, chill the f out

Not entirely tactful, but they are not wrong. You can't just issue a blanket statement that a skill or support is shit, because you don't know the numbers, when the entire ladder is using it. You want to be taken seriously as a build creator, then don't act like an impetuous child. These content creators get an attitude after a while, and this is no exception.

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X3n_ a écrit :

"X is shit, also here's me admitting I don't actually know whether or not it's shit even though it can easily be tested, but I'm gonna say it's shit regardless because I of all people didn't think about using it"

kek

98% of the top 42 (Lv90+) EQ Juggs currently use Fist of War. 100% of Vaal EQ use it.

I'll let you try and figure out why. Shame you need to rely on a POB update to do so, gl!

i don't care what masses copy from each other.
FoW is a cooldown skill with massive damage, but if divided / per attack it's not better than any other spport.

kek

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Angry_Roleplayer a écrit :

i don't care what masses copy from each other.

Ah so you're a snowflake with an ego, got it.

Shame for the other guys you spread misinformation to, I guess that's as much as you can expect out of a POB warrior who clickbaits on youtube despite not taking into account patch notes, new skills/supports let alone actually play the game at all anymore.

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Imp0815 a écrit :

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X3n_ a écrit :

"X is shit, also here's me admitting I don't actually know whether or not it's shit even though it can easily be tested, but I'm gonna say it's shit regardless because I of all people didn't think about using it"

kek

98% of the top 42 (Lv90+) EQ Juggs currently use Fist of War. 100% of Vaal EQ use it.

I'll let you try and figure out why. Shame you need to rely on a POB update to do so, gl!

OOF

Could have be formulated more civil.

I use FoW at Level 58 and i like the Big Bonk every now and then. But i must admit that i time my EQ so that i alway have the Fow trigger. Seems slow but i like the big AOE and dmg. I two-shot Rare Enemy with that. Also i really dont know how the DMG fares.

ALSO PSA: The Gems are now, for the Most part, supported in the PoB Community branch. Just downlaoded the Update.

EDIT: FoW is my greates DMG increase in PoB.

POB is there so i will be checked up.
Even with boosted bleed, Fist of War is 35% more damage while old Ruthless is 45%, considering cooldowns and amount of attacks.
So, like i thought it does look good on paper, but in reality it's not that crazy.
Pulverize got better in 3.11 though and is a gem to go, surprisingly. Cannot understand why, maybe i missed something. But it's better than ruthless now.
After looking at the numbers and using new Hegemony's unfortunately the build lost about 10% of damage simply because of weapon.

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X3n_ a écrit :

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Angry_Roleplayer a écrit :

i don't care what masses copy from each other.

Ah so you're a snowflake with an ego, got it.

Shame for the other guys you spread misinformation to, I guess that's as much as you can expect out of a POB warrior who clickbaits on youtube despite not taking into account patch notes, new skills/supports let alone actually play the game at all anymore.

No, i simply create a long-living trustworthy build guides, used by thousands of people. I am not a "hey it's second day of the league, look what people are using, let me copy that, they must be right!" guy.

There are so many viable variations.

People are going maces with more aoe, axes+bleeds, some are speccing into impale, some are going non call to arms and filling out most of the warcry trees.

I think pretty much it's all viable and the skeleton for jugg EQ is always the same. It's cheap to switch out later whether it's weapon type or crit/res etc.

At the moment I am leaning towards 3 cries w/o cta, resulte with axe+bleeds. Stuns are nice, but bleeds are awesome to finish off opponents. Plus I like the axe tree, with execution you have cull/onslaught all sorted.

But, I am not 100% sure, maybe mace stun is way better in red maps, at the moment I am just farming low maps for currency.

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Angry_Roleplayer a écrit :

POB is there so i will be checked up.
Even with boosted bleed, Fist of War is 35% more damage while old Ruthless is 45%, considering cooldowns and amount of attacks.
So, like i thought it does look good on paper, but in reality it's not that crazy.
Pulverize got better in 3.11 though and is a gem to go, surprisingly. Cannot understand why, maybe i missed something. But it's better than ruthless now.
After looking at the numbers and using new Hegemony's unfortunately the build lost about 10% of damage simply because of weapon.

How are you getting 35%? I'm seeing more like 70% when putting it in POB, given it should be going off every other attack (you might need to lower attack speed a tiny bit to get that, though just taking your mace PoB as it is it's already super close to a 0.9 second attack time, just needs to be slightly slower). 35% means you are getting it every 4th attack, which is way too much attack speed for Earthquake, that means you are hitting more often than every 0.6 seconds (~1.666 attacks per second). Even if it goes off every third attack, that should be ~46% more.

Also, it's BETTER in reality than on paper, not the reverse, since any downtime makes FoW better. If you one shot a pack and then leap to the next, it'll likely be back up, meaning you have the damage boost up more often than the simulation would expect.

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poeGT a écrit :

At the moment I am leaning towards 3 cries w/o cta, resulte with axe+bleeds. Stuns are nice, but bleeds are awesome to finish off opponents. Plus I like the axe tree, with execution you have cull/onslaught all sorted.

Would you mind sharing your POB, currently I am enjoying axes the most?

I am pretty new to this build so please excuse my ignorance.

I raalize that FOW is still being discussed, but for the mace version POB also shows me Bloodlust as a strong contender and for the staff version in addition to that also Multistrike.
I am pretty sure these are not listed in the guide/POB for a reason but could you tell me why?