How does the effectiveness of added damage work with new Ele Hit?

if it uses weapon damage as long as its the same element, then it would work with any weapon that converted all its damage to an element.

in this case the base damage of ele hit is pretty god damn huge, and very enticing.

but also doomfletch prism may use this gem very well now, since it does all elements. it would just cycle through the rotation doing massive EE proc dmg on every hit etc.

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xMustard a écrit :

but also doomfletch prism may use this gem very well now, since it does all elements. it would just cycle through the rotation doing massive EE proc dmg on every hit etc.

If only, sadly the element choice is random not a rotation but statistically you would have a higher chance to get a different element to the one that procced EE, but would not be every hit.

Also I though I saw somewhere, correct me if I am wrong, that EE was getting a rework?

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Keyen a écrit :

The true question is about the weapon damage. Will we get 100% of weapon damage (if it use the proper element), or 188%?

Yeah, ultimately that's my main question.

Any of the typical sources of 'added' damage will get the 188%, as per usual with damage effectiveness. And chances are that the damage added by the skill itself will *not* get the 188%, cuz that would be obscenely high base damage.

The true question is indeed local weapon damage, since normally that's covered by the '%base damage' attack skills list, and there's none listed here (which would imply 100%).

But since on all other attack skills the damage effectiveness is the same percentage as the '% base damage', this would be pretty out-of-line. Not getting the same 188% from your local weapon damage would seem really weird and counter-intuitive, not to mention it would lessen the buildcrafting potential by lowering the range of good weapon choices.

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gjennks1 a écrit :

If only, sadly the element choice is random not a rotation but statistically you would have a higher chance to get a different element to the one that procced EE.

Yes, specifically, a 100% chance:

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Bex_GGG a écrit :

It's also important to note, Elemental Hit cannot deal the same type of damage sequentially unless it can only deal one type of damage; more on that later.

Well, you never know, maybe they'll give the same sort of treatment to all 'choose a random element' mechanics, and when using multiple sources they'll always choose the same one. Doesn't seem unreasonable... even if it does make EE more accessible, it's still no walk in the park to use it since for every skill that's *not* e-hit you'd have to make sure you have no other sources of added ele damage that *aren't* randomly chosen.

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Shppy a écrit :

Well, you never know, maybe they'll give the same sort of treatment to all 'choose a random element' mechanics, and when using multiple sources they'll always choose the same one. Doesn't seem unreasonable... even if it does make EE more accessible, it's still no walk in the park to use it since for every skill that's *not* e-hit you'd have to make sure you have no other sources of added ele damage that *aren't* randomly chosen.

the elemental hit gem overrides this - which is what makes EE basically required for this new ele hit, unless you're going to limit it to one element.

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adghar a écrit :

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gjennks1 a écrit :

If only, sadly the element choice is random not a rotation but statistically you would have a higher chance to get a different element to the one that procced EE.

Yes, specifically, a 100% chance:

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Bex_GGG a écrit :

It's also important to note, Elemental Hit cannot deal the same type of damage sequentially unless it can only deal one type of damage; more on that later.

I missed that

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Abdiel_Kavash a écrit :

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Namcap a écrit :

I was merely stating that you don't need chaos damage TO poison. Not that this wouldn't work with Ele hit specifically. But I guess it's not a very useful comment in this case.

You're misunderstanding. Poison can only deal Chaos damage. You can't deal Chaos damage with Elemental Hit. Poison that would deal no damage is never applied. Therefore Elemental Hit can never poison anything. Volkuur's Guidance can not change this.

How does this work with ignite, then? Can ele hit only ignite with fire dmg? Are you sure it applies to DoTs applied by the hit, and not just the initial hit itself? The announcement specifically says it applies to the attack:

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Elemental Hit is receiving large mechanical changes as well as some damage adjustments with the goal of bringing it in line with other impactful skills. It will still choose a random element of damage to deal with each attack, but it will not deal any other type of damage with that attack. For example, if Cold damage is chosen, the attack will only deal Cold damage.

I understand the gem itself says "deals no damage of other damage types", so I guess that's what you're going by, but it seems pretty weird IMO if they did that.

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Shppy a écrit :

Cuz this is a bit of a weird one now. We've always had attack skills that say what their % base damage is, and the 'effectiveness of added damage' always matches up with that, so there's always been the notion that all your damage gets multiplied by that amount, whether it's local to your weapon or a global boost from gear/auras/etc or a flat amount added through support gemst.

on a gem we can see damage with 1.88 effectiveness, so it go up to 419-779 fire damage (example)
but nominal is 223-414 fire damage
then we summ all the flat damage and then multiply it 1.88, including your local weapon, 223-414 skill fire damage and global flat adds

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dudiobugtron a écrit :

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Abdiel_Kavash a écrit :

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Namcap a écrit :

I was merely stating that you don't need chaos damage TO poison. Not that this wouldn't work with Ele hit specifically. But I guess it's not a very useful comment in this case.

You're misunderstanding. Poison can only deal Chaos damage. You can't deal Chaos damage with Elemental Hit. Poison that would deal no damage is never applied. Therefore Elemental Hit can never poison anything. Volkuur's Guidance can not change this.

How does this work with ignite, then? Can ele hit only ignite with fire dmg? Are you sure it applies to DoTs applied by the hit, and not just the initial hit itself? The announcement specifically says it applies to the attack:

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Elemental Hit is receiving large mechanical changes as well as some damage adjustments with the goal of bringing it in line with other impactful skills. It will still choose a random element of damage to deal with each attack, but it will not deal any other type of damage with that attack. For example, if Cold damage is chosen, the attack will only deal Cold damage.

I understand the gem itself says "deals no damage of other damage types", so I guess that's what you're going by, but it seems pretty weird IMO if they did that.

Volkuur's Guidance make it so one element can cause poisoning, this changes how poison works making it so there is a component that scales from that element (20% of damage) not just phys and chaos damage.
The contention seems to be if the poison aliment caused by elemental hit would deal chaos damage due to the mod "Deals no damage of other damage types"