Having to purchase red maps, vaal & alch orbs

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hwat a écrit :

Whoever sustains red maps with "play 100 tier 8 maps and move to 9" — fuck off, thats not the game I want. This league is really fucked up with maps/alchs. I've got my wings and have no any motivation for more challenges.

Pretty funny since that's how map sustain always worked, maybe it's just not the game for you?

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krenderke a écrit :

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hwat a écrit :

Whoever sustains red maps with "play 100 tier 8 maps and move to 9" — fuck off, thats not the game I want. This league is really fucked up with maps/alchs. I've got my wings and have no any motivation for more challenges.

Pretty funny since that's how map sustain always worked, maybe it's just not the game for you?

Indeed. Always has been like that.

The alternative is to play may be 20 tier 8 maps, then trade for tier 9 maps from your loot. Only if you're in SSF can you really be mildly justified in complaining about it. Even then most SSF players just play the game for fun and progress at their own sped instead of trying to grind at end-game with fast clear speeds thanks to traded gear.

Honestly, I never have problems sustaining any tier while trading, all the way up to T15 maps. I've done that before just fine. Run a dozen red tier maps, get half of that in return, but get plenty of loot to buy even more red tier maps.

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cipher_nemo a écrit :

Indeed. Always has been like that.

The alternative is to play may be 20 tier 8 maps, then trade for tier 9 maps from your loot. Only if you're in SSF can you really be mildly justified in complaining about it. Even then most SSF players just play the game for fun and progress at their own sped instead of trying to grind at end-game with fast clear speeds thanks to traded gear.

Honestly, I never have problems sustaining any tier while trading, all the way up to T15 maps. I've done that before just fine. Run a dozen red tier maps, get half of that in return, but get plenty of loot to buy even more red tier maps.

If I had any complaints for ssf, it would be about the prophecy system being completely worthless, not the map sustain.

Ah yea and beastcrafting prophecies seem to be weighted to always give you the same ones, which of the only good is the vaults of atziri one, otherwise be prepared to kill chaos golems for shitty unique wands, read act 1 lore stones for widsom scrolls and port constantly into act 7 chambers of sins to get rid of "lost maps" .

Regular silver coins trough navali do give a wider variety, altho no idea why they nerfed the "Dream trial" to be consumed upon opening the map :/

Would love an option at Navali to delete all my active prophecies for 5 coins or something, at least in trade leagues I can get a bulk of silver coins for cheap if I want to do them actively.

I sympathize on the lost maps, tier 1 nearly full now. On the other hand some of the prophecies give great pack size/quant and you occasionally get monstrous treasure, bowstring music etc which sell for decent amount. If you can be arsed to push through the prophecy chain breath of the council etc still sell for tens of chaos.

Edit: there's also a beast recipe to seal all prophecies.

It's utterly INFURIATING when the red map boss decide to drop T1-T4 maps.
Trying to get the shaper orb done is no doubt an incredible expensive endeavor.
At the end of the day I really have to ask - is it even worth it? Shape a map, so what? Will it even drop? The reward of doing all these simply doesn't outweight the amount of efforts and currencies you had burnt.

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krenderke a écrit :

Would love an option at Navali to delete all my active prophecies for 5 coins or something, at least in trade leagues I can get a bulk of silver coins for cheap if I want to do them actively.

there is a "Seal all Prophecies" beastcrafting option, it requires a farric magma hound which isn't that rare.

when complaining about maps, people tend to forget that it's the game's only and biggest currency sink. you're not supposed to sustain endgame level maps without investing an massive amount of orbs into it (and get lucky). there were times where streamers exalted maps.

harbinger league was a slight mistake cause it trivialised endgame access and every next league will feel more sparse.

will the same happen with 6 links in the next leagues?

Well obviously all of us many players all complaining about map drops are all wrong, as the white knights are once again out in force.

We are all in error, and once again the White Army (minority voice) is completely correct.

I only hope that this game, and the non auction house economy is tons of fun for the knights once the rest of us all finally get completely fed up and leave. Yup, keep on defending the blatantly bad map drop rate out of some bizarre sense of loyalty. In end it's only yourselves that you'll be shooting in the collective feet.

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Maelstromicus a écrit :

Well obviously all of us many players all complaining about map drops are all wrong, as the white knights are once again out in force.

We are all in error, and once again the White Army (minority voice) is completely correct.

I only hope that this game, and the non auction house economy is tons of fun for the knights once the rest of us all finally get completely fed up and leave. Yup, keep on defending the blatantly bad map drop rate out of some bizarre sense of loyalty. In end it's only yourselves that you'll be shooting in the collective feet.

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If you don't get maps it's RNG at work. Bu them until the next streak of getting maps. Don't corner yourself into a specific map (don't be a sextant baby) and do ALL OF THEM.

I did around 8 or so 30+ quant T16's yesterday and did not get one map over T13. Tough. Shit happens. You know what I did next? I did my T13.

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Small edit referring to the thread title:

You do not have to buy any of those items - YOU DO NOT. You can just play with whatever you find.

- Red maps. Fill your atlas and play white and yellow maps until you find some.

- Vaal orbs: Do fragment runs and get vaal gems and use recipe, do lab for fragments and vaal gems.

- Alchemy orbs: Vendor every single rare and all unique's that drops.

I have not bought one map (thanks to horizon orbs and map to map trading), one vaal orb or alchemy orb and I am constantly at 60ish alcs and 20 vaals.

My atlas is at 155/157 and I have Uber Elder spawned.

And people keep posting same shitty advices that turn poe from funny game to worst nightmare.

Run all maps

Why do we have atlas? What is the point of shaping and ping-pong if in the end i have to run random maps. Just remove all maps and create a device that opens portal to random place - would work the same.

Vaal orbs aka fragment run

Sure, let me spend one hour trying to farm this rare gems so i can turn 7 of them into one vaal orb. I spend many hours running tidal island for "deep's one presence" mob (while running all vaal side areas) and still i'm not able to finish even one set for vaal orb.

Alchemy orb recipe/Chaos orb recipe

Having filter to show all OK rares ("highlight items by item slot"; height <=4, width = 1; wands, daggers, one handed swords, thrusting one handed swords, one handed mace) hurts your eyes.
It's even worse for chaos recipe ex (pics in spoiler):


Now tell me this is fun (keep in mind this is "more strict" version of filter just showing chaos recipe stuff ignoring things for alch recipe)


All of this should not be mandatory. Doing unfunny stuff should only be a way to gain wealth when you are broke. Full atlas completion is not proof of your amazing skill and knowledge. Anybody can do this if given enough time

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karoollll2534 a écrit :

Run all maps
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It's been proven countless times that a shaped atlas works.
Even in SSF.
Look at RaizQT and other racers pretty much only running shaped underground sea.

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Alchemy orb recipe/Chaos orb recipe
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Why would you do chaos recipe?
Why would you not filter out this stuff?
Why do you use so crazy bright colors?

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All of this should not be mandatory.

All of this is not mandatory.