Why Im quiting PoE until SSF gets better drops

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Swartan a écrit :

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goetzjam a écrit :

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Swartan a écrit :

Well all i have to say that it really feels bad if you get a lousy lvl 5 unique at level 71, if they change the level range at least i would be very happy.

The alternative would be no unique. So unique or no unique, which do you prefer?

Err,no?The alternative would be a unique that is at my level,why would you say that the alternative is nothing at all?
And yes,there are certain items that don´t suck and are low level, but please don´t argue for the sake of arguing.

He means that the amount of low level uniques does not influence the amount of high level uniques you drop. If there would be less bad uniques you would just drop less uniques, because the chance to drop one of the good ones is still the same.

This also means that uniques are a lot more common (independent from the drop increase for high tier uniques that happened) because there are so much more of them that can drop. And to be fair, this behavior is not limited to uniques and not something PoE invented. Because the question isn't about those low level uniques, what people actually want is getting more uniques they want to use, not less of those they don't want to use.

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not at end game, level 70+. is like playing naked

Not sure what game you are playing, but Belt of the Deceiver is an awesome item and a lot of the SSF players at the top of the ladder used it. They likely use other things now and the ladder isn't as filled with cheap builds as it was at the beginning, but it still is a good item. Exspecially if you are not playing Hardcore there is hardly any other belt that will give you basically 10% more damage. You just don't see a good unique even if it is there.

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goetzjam a écrit :

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CrisFenix a écrit :

Of course I listen, but everything they do is ignore what I wrote and act like the game was perfect.

The game isn't perfect, but boosting droprates historically have not lead to a better game, but actually had the opposite consequence.

Yes. But I am talking about better uniques drops. If you are doing maps lets say T6 to T10, and you need to buy better gear that costs some exalts, would be better to drop some good uniques that you can sell for like 15-20 chaos and trade for exalts to buy the super-gear you want.

What happens now is that you drop a bunch of garbage uniques that sells for 1 alc each and a few that sells for 1 chaos, maybe one or two that sells for 8-10 chaos. You will never get 5-6 exalts this way! These uniques are too cheap.

One exalt costs like 50 to 86 chaos, depending on the league, if is recent or not.

Then you get stuck on these maps because you cant drop good uniques that sells well.

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Yes. But I am talking about better uniques drops. If you are doing maps lets say T6 to T10, and you need to buy better gear that costs some exalts, would be better to drop some good uniques that you can sell for like 15-20 chaos and trade for exalts to buy the super-gear you want.

How should that even work. I hope you are totally aware that if you drop more uniques everyone else does too. So you won't get more chaos. And that is actuall what Goetzjam is talking about, because exactly what you want happened. A lot of uniques except for the most common ones, but most notably T2 and T1 uniques already had their drop rate increased massively. The only thing that happened is that basically every single one of those uniques is worth 1c for the T2 uniques and less than 1ex for the T1 uniques as soon as your are a few weeks into the league. Only a very small minority of uniques, which had their drop rates lowered again are able to keep a high price like Shavronnes and of course some league specific uniques are usually a bit expensive.

What you assume will happen would only happen if you are the only person for which the drop rates are changed, which is indeed a pretty selfish perspective.

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CrisFenix a écrit :

Yes. But I am talking about better uniques drops. If you are doing maps lets say T6 to T10, and you need to buy better gear that costs some exalts, would be better to drop some good uniques that you can sell for like 15-20 chaos and trade for exalts to buy the super-gear you want.

What happens now is that you drop a bunch of garbage uniques that sells for 1 alc each and a few that sells for 1 chaos, maybe one or two that sells for 8-10 chaos. You will never get 5-6 exalts this way! These uniques are too cheap.

One exalt costs like 50 to 86 chaos, depending on the league, if is recent or not.

Then you get stuck on these maps because you cant drop good uniques that sells well.

The uniques are too cheap because the builds around them have been changed to make them worth much, much less. Then GGG added div cards, diviners boxes and boosted drop rates and if an item is powerful enough, gets nerfed into the ground.


An example is something like Alpha's howl, its unchanged, but due to the properties it provides is super niche, yet fairly common given how once rare and highly demanded it was. If it was more difficult to get, it would be worth more, but it still won't be worth multiple exalts like it was in the past, because various items have replaced in in a way with power creep (such as essences) or the ability to get more out of the tree in terms of reduction there, because its expected that people get much higher level then in the past.

Other sort of rare items that used to be valuable is like bringer and devotos, now this far into the league devotos is like 4c in hardcore.


Over the course of time these uniques that you could find 1 or twice a week with enough time were made more common and push out of the way to make room for newer uniques. GGG has added various bosses that can be profitable, but as more and more people farm then, the lower those sorts of things become in terms of worth farming.


GGG has removed the specialness out of finding most uniques. If you want to hit it big, you chance something big, very rarely could you get something that would enable you to set yourself up, like in the past.


I don't think I would ever play softcore temp leagues seriously again because as bad as those issues I described are, they are multiple times worst in softcore leagues, due to gear never really leaving the league.


In terms of getting stuck because you don't have money for uniques, you should consider that when you are creating a character, suchas is there something I can use until then, will I be able to do the content I want or will I have to make adjustments. Stuff like flameblast scales well with gear, but requires essentially nothing to get started for example.

In terms of working your way up to exalts in softcore league, you simply need to figure out something you can do well enough to make money off of. If its farming the lab for enchants, trying to rush bosses or boss sells, lab carries, masters, whatever idea you comeup with, but keep in mind there are a shit ton of players trying to do the same thing.


But tl;dr

Uniques are not a sustainable way to making money, unless you are farming specific bosses for those drops, even so you need to be among the first in order to really snowball off of it.

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Emphasy a écrit :

How should that even work. I hope you are totally aware that if you drop more uniques everyone else does too. So you won't get more chaos. And that is actuall what Goetzjam is talking about, because exactly what you want happened. A lot of uniques except for the most common ones, but most notably T2 and T1 uniques already had their drop rate increased massively. The only thing that happened is that basically every single one of those uniques is worth 1c for the T2 uniques and less than 1ex for the T1 uniques as soon as your are a few weeks into the league. Only a very small minority of uniques, which had their drop rates lowered again are able to keep a high price like Shavronnes and of course some league specific uniques are usually a bit expensive.

What you assume will happen would only happen if you are the only person for which the drop rates are changed, which is indeed a pretty selfish perspective.

Just to clarify, not a selfish perspective but an SSF perspective, since only one person is farming to obtain a specific unique for his build. I've said in the text that I preffer to not have migration of items (just currency) so I will not be able to sell an item from SSF > to other league never.

This way I can get good uniques for other SSF builds I would make in the future. Personally, I would never migrate my char to another league.

I've said that the drop rate of good uniques is too low on standard and other leagues (inside T6-T10 maps) but I am the only one that think this way

You wrote something interesting up there: "if you drop more uniques everyone else does too"

Like..is crazy but, this mean that if 1 alc uniques drop less, they would cost more like 2 or 3 chaos? This could be the correct fix.. for the waste of time and player inability of getting a good amount of chaos to trade for exalts, maybe. Only doing chaos recipes is not enough

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Swartan a écrit :

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goetzjam a écrit :

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Swartan a écrit :

Well all i have to say that it really feels bad if you get a lousy lvl 5 unique at level 71, if they change the level range at least i would be very happy.

The alternative would be no unique. So unique or no unique, which do you prefer?

Err,no?The alternative would be a unique that is at my level,why would you say that the alternative is nothing at all?
And yes,there are certain items that don´t suck and are low level, but please don´t argue for the sake of arguing.

It has nothing to do with arguing for the sake of arguing, absolutely nothing.
If you change the level range, you remove the access to many good and useful low level unique items, and that would be terrible.
It would also remove the possibiltiy to get leveling uniques that one might use with other chars ( and that can sell for couple of chaos in HC too ).


@Emphasy :
Actually, what I ( and I guess many other ) mean about primary / secondary defenses is :

- primary defenses : buffer : Life / ES ( and MoM to some extent )
- secondary defenses : migitation ( direct or indirect ), armour / evasion / block etc ...

I think that I don't need to picture why to you, am I correct ?

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CrisFenix a écrit :

Then you get stuck on these maps because you cant drop good uniques that sells well.

You do not get good uniques.
We do.

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CrisFenix a écrit :

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too bad that you are the ONLY one in this thread that gets oneshotted on regular basis.

Oh! One more liar! How are your defenses today, Exiled? Everything good?? LOL

Not seen anybody else in this thread crying about being one shot all the time actually, or about not getting good items.
And you call him a liar ?
c'mon ....

You don't even understand how the Three Dragon's mask can be a high level build enabling unique.
But hey, you've never actually reached high level so ...

You thinking that everything is wrong with the game and nothing is wrong with how you play it is very egocentric and more important, very wrong.
You can choose to learn and get better.
And you can choose to keep lying to yourself and still be bad at the game.
It's up to you.

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CrisFenix" a écrit :

Just to clarify, not a selfish perspective but an SSF perspective, since only one person is farming to obtain a specific unique for his build. I've said in the text that I preffer to not have migration of items (just currency) so I will not be able to sell an item from SSF > to other league never.

No, this is selfish, you are being selfish.
I am playing SSF ( and you are NOT ) and I do not want those increased droprates.
You are not getting what SSF implies and why people play them, and having increased droprates + an impossibility to migrate is just not happening.


And if alch uniques would drop less and be worth 2-3c, you would be QQing that you are not getting them because they are too rare, and that all of the other uniques are garbage.
Guarranted.
Only doing chaos recipe is enough to get a good amount of chaos, you are just not being efficient.

I know, truth is harsh, it's up to you to face it or to try to run away from it.

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Fruz a écrit :

No, this is selfish, you are being selfish.

Is it strange that I instantly read this in Malachai's voice?

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Trylobyte a écrit :

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Fruz a écrit :

No, this is selfish, you are being selfish.

Is it strange that I instantly read this in Malachai's voice?

Lol!
I didn't think about it when I wrote it, now I do hear it too.

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Fruz a écrit :

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CrisFenix" a écrit :

Just to clarify, not a selfish perspective but an SSF perspective, since only one person is farming to obtain a specific unique for his build. I've said in the text that I preffer to not have migration of items (just currency) so I will not be able to sell an item from SSF > to other league never.

No, this is selfish, you are being selfish.
I am playing SSF ( and you are NOT ) and I do not want those increased droprates.
You are not getting what SSF implies and why people play them, and having increased droprates + an impossibility to migrate is just not happening.


And if alch uniques would drop less and be worth 2-3c, you would be QQing that you are not getting them because they are too rare, and that all of the other uniques are garbage.
Guarranted.
Only doing chaos recipe is enough to get a good amount of chaos, you are just not being efficient.

I know, truth is harsh, it's up to you to face it or to try to run away from it.

OH MAN, sorry these few words but, you are just desperate! LOL

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Trylobyte a écrit :

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Fruz a écrit :

No, this is selfish, you are being selfish.

Is it strange that I instantly read this in Malachai's voice?

LOL! [Removed by Support]