Bosses difficulty vs average exploration difficulty balance

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Razis a écrit :

agreed with somehow... but that's obviously not how GGG thinks it's better.

"We'd rather have it so you can kinda have the TV on while you are playing"
"I'd like it that people can relatively mindlessly grind regular content of path of exile where there are spikes of difficulty when things converge together"
-Chris Wilson 2016, interview with ziggy pre atlas of worlds I think

It makes some sense when you think about it though. They don't wan't fatigue to kick in when you're playing. You probably don't know, but personally I can tell you - I remember clearly a few years back when piety was final boss I had to take breaks between maps in hc because it was really intense all the time. It seems funny now, but difficulty balance was very much different back then.

Oh and yeah, just play HC leagues. The mindset that GGG holds makes way more sense for HC, or rather - makes absolutely none for SC.

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MortalKombat3 a écrit :

Indeed, bosses are often overtuned, or look overtuned, because you cant oneshot bosses with most builds (like you do with trash and even rares).
And that main problem is that rewards for killing badass boss isnt appropriate.
Ok, let's call it game desighn so trash mobs are just cannon fodder, and bosses are real challenge (many games, namely MMORPGs, follow this rule).
But why bosses provide negligible experience when killed? Why their orb and map drop sucks? In map, you can just skip a boss, and dont lose much anyway...

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Someone said about some Izaro's strike - that it should be avoided. Ok, but is it enough reason for him to be able to kill the player with almost one blow if it is not avoided e.g. one time in the whole combat ? What about traps in 3rd, last lab fight? His minons that disturb player greatly.

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Hopefully The Fall of Oriath will bring some good balance changes - there is no way one can add such vast content without touching the balance. Unless totally putting new shit on top on old shit. But if GGG would do that, then POE will be dead in next few years.

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kalbright a écrit :

Well, I have to agree with OP. The game is evolving (I've played since it was released) into something like playing the LAB. the monsters are just there to power up flask and the boss is the only thing to fight - and more and more, the boss requires full spell block (and a few viable builds) as boss fights tend now to be less like Vaal (where position and strategy allows any build to win) toward Abaxoth where it is just ridiculous spell spam. Not a good direction IMO.

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Mischief67 a écrit :

Glad to have it confirmed that our initially "hardcore game" is officially a giant shitfest for plebs who can play with their feets.

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Fnts7 a écrit :

Someone said about some Izaro's strike - that it should be avoided. Ok, but is it enough reason for him to be able to kill the player with almost one blow if it is not avoided e.g. one time in the whole combat ? What about traps in 3rd, last lab fight? His minons that disturb player greatly..

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DurianMcgregor a écrit :

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Fnts7 a écrit :

Someone said about some Izaro's strike - that it should be avoided. Ok, but is it enough reason for him to be able to kill the player with almost one blow if it is not avoided e.g. one time in the whole combat ? What about traps in 3rd, last lab fight? His minons that disturb player greatly..

Yes of course. If it doesn't do a lot of damage you don't actually have to avoid it. The problem is that most of the game is too easy, not that bosses are too hard.

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Snorkle_uk a écrit :

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DurianMcgregor a écrit :

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Fnts7 a écrit :

Someone said about some Izaro's strike - that it should be avoided. Ok, but is it enough reason for him to be able to kill the player with almost one blow if it is not avoided e.g. one time in the whole combat ? What about traps in 3rd, last lab fight? His minons that disturb player greatly..

Yes of course. If it doesn't do a lot of damage you don't actually have to avoid it. The problem is that most of the game is too easy, not that bosses are too hard.

yeah pretty much.


I think op you have stumbled into an issue with balance in the game, but your perspective on it is a little off. I dont mean any of this as a dig at you, Im not having a go and being a dick, but theres always 2 sides to it, the player and the game.

Because youre quite a new player and have extremely limited experience (nothing wrong with that, but it is what it is) your perspective is that the game is a lot harder than it actually is in general. Most of the bosses you think are too hard you would think are too easy if you knew more about how to build your character, set up your gems, put together gear etc. Theres a really small handful of bosses that are arguably overtuned damage wise, the chaos warbands in Overgrown Ruin are a rare example of a boss that I believe just do noticeably too much damage. If youre not ci theyre pretty outrageous when you have some mods on there, it really is over the top.

The vast majority of bosses have way too little life, theres a few with a good amount, I wouldnt say theres any that have too much life. A tiny amount have too much damage, some are fine and some dont do enough damage.

As you learn more about the game and get better at putting characters together this is something youll eventually get around to noticing.


Its telling though that youre struggling with some bosses that should be a cakewalk, and yet you still think the mobs are too easy. That goes to show just how stupidly easy all the mobs have become, I feel like its got to the point where if its not vol blood or vaal dd bameth 1 shotting me there is virtually 0 danger anywhere, doesnt matter if im life, ci, projectiles, aoe, melee, none of it matters, everythings just shades of cakewalk. Maybe you see magnus charge up a flameblast, walk outside of it and nuke him, the fact you had to walk out of the ring of fire being probably the only thing in the last 4 hours you had to do outside of the bossroom other than hold down fire then zoom to the next pack. Its just become a joke.




I dont think the comments about watching netflix etc are actually the issue. I watch netflix while I play, almost all the time, the game could be substantially harder and Id still be watching netflix while I play. I was watching netflix while playing years ago when the game was much harder, and it could have been twice as hard. I actually agree with their pitch of where they want it, you cna kind of handle everything and then theres occasional spikes of horror, I think thats a good aim. I dont think that requires the game to be as much of a joke as it is right now. You cna autopilot mindset through much more challenge than we are currently getting, you can be faced with having to play things right or you get in trouble and still just be casually grinding and keeping up with your netflix program or what the streamer you have on is saying or the plot of your audiobook or whatever other distractions you have going on.


Personally I think we do way too much damage, I dont even make dps heavy builds, my builds are usually hitting like 1/2, 1/3, 1/4 of the dps real deeps pushers are hitting, and even in temp leagues with shit gear Im making those same builds and just instantly killing everything outside of the boss room. Nothing has time to do enough damage to me for me to care at all about it unless its an on death effect like vol, poison clouds, obelisks, corrupted bloodline, bearers, these are the only times I have to even acknowledge that I can even take damage and do the slightest thing to counter.

They have to really make efforts to narrow down the dps discrepancy between different ways of scaling damage but ultimately having your damage ultra nerfed feels terrible so given its an ongoing game they just need to jack up monster life on white/blue/yellow mobs by a truckload, and also on exiles and quite a lot of map bosses. Ive been meaning to make a post about it, and I will at some point, but I dont think our movespeed or our moveskills or our damage aoes are really the issue. I like moving fast, I like being able to kite and avoid things quickly, fast pace gameplay feels great, the issue with clearspeeds is that were killing shit way too fast, we dont have to use our speed to play around challenges, there just simply isnt any challenges to play around because you press fire and everything dies before it can do anything.