PoE and bots.

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IllusorySuperiority a écrit :

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Emperor_home a écrit :

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e1imination a écrit :

Since my last post broke the rules, I will ask only one question, what did you do in the portal with the bot, rather than enjoy the game ?

Sry, im not sure what you mean, but ppl who use bots (enjoying the game) broke economy, they farm lots of chaos recipy and other low currency and then they sell it and exchange, by doing so they generate a greate impact on economy. If you are not ssf player bots are pain for you in terms of trading currency.

Simple example:

SC ligue ex:chaos ratio 1:70
HC ligue ex:chaos ration 1:20

But 1st week of the ligue this ration are pretty much similar like 1:15-20
Then bots comes (Specialy for sc, couse on hc I belive they dying and ppl who use bots playing sc) and ration on sc jump rapidly.

Im not convinced this is caused by bots. Rather by flippers.

Man why u think there is no flippers on hc?
No logic man sry.

Think about if you are boter and you farm 24/7
your charter died (lags/internet/strong exile catch you/bot programm unperfection) or what ever reason, you must cr8 new char and lvl up etc etc.

but in sc you dont care it farm even dying.

And this bot I mension able to do aouto unid chaos recipy.

I found some stats on forum and videos: bot (full mf gear, dont care dying on sc) could farm around 100 pure chaos in a day by doing unid chaos recipy (and many more other kind of currency).

Cuse bot cant farm full mf on hc, (and in many cases, ppl on forum telling that they cant bot on hc well couse they keep dying after few days) you can see the difference of currency exchange ration.

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IllusorySuperiority a écrit :

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Emperor_home a écrit :

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e1imination a écrit :

Since my last post broke the rules, I will ask only one question, what did you do in the portal with the bot, rather than enjoy the game ?

Sry, im not sure what you mean, but ppl who use bots (enjoying the game) broke economy, they farm lots of chaos recipy and other low currency and then they sell it and exchange, by doing so they generate a greate impact on economy. If you are not ssf player bots are pain for you in terms of trading currency.

Simple example:

SC ligue ex:chaos ratio 1:70
HC ligue ex:chaos ration 1:20

But 1st week of the ligue this ration are pretty much similar like 1:15-20
Then bots comes (Specialy for sc, couse on hc I belive they dying and ppl who use bots playing sc) and ration on sc jump rapidly.

Im not convinced this is caused by bots. Rather by flippers.

Yeah it is caused by several factors, currency/gear not ever leaving circulation in SC vs. hardcore where items actually leave the market.

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Docbp87 a écrit :

Yeah it is caused by several factors, currency/gear not ever leaving circulation in SC vs. hardcore where items actually leave the market.

About leaving circulation and currency ratio. (Main problem we dont know population on sc and hc, so my argument are weak here, but anyway)
When Items leave hc ppl need more end game currency like exalts (meta mastercraft when u stick with good suf or pref and rerolling unwanted suf or pref: with Haku/Tora 8) chaos are wost here couse its almost imposible to hit good pref and suf only with chaos spam (I tryed to craft good shield spend around 3k chaos on vanila and 0 times I hit tier 1 suf (hight es+spell dmg) and tier 1-2 pref) now i learn how to craft and dont waste currency, usualy u stop chaos spam when u hit 500+ es and 40+ spell for pref and with hope that there is 1 open suff to remove suff with haku 8 and exalt it 2 times (repeat untill 2 good tier 1-2 suf) and then u just craft 3rd one like cast speed/resists/block.
But chaos spam again easy could end up with 3 tier 1 pref and 3 trash suf with no chance to rework item, so best method is alteraction+regal for 2 tier 1 pref then block 1 suff exalt (1-2 times) untill 3rd prefix.
This method best couse you always end up with open suf to meta craft mod.

So if I died with this shield I need more alts/regal/exalts to craft one more shield.
So exalts should cost more in hc than in sc.

But I strongly agree there is many factors, but this huge difference 1:20 hc and 1:70 sc in my opinion coused by hight chaos orb income from bots doing chaos recipy, other factors cannot decrease chaos orb price for more than 3 times (other currency ratio also shows there is huge chaos income on sc)
like regal/vaal 1:1 chaos on sc and 2:1 on hc.

^^ it will be caused by a lot of things. Ive thought for quite a while bots will be pushing up the currency prices since rmters will only want to trade in exalts. Creating more pressure to swap c to ex, however botters wont run that often on standard and the c:ex ratio is also crazy there.

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Fhark a écrit :

^^ it will be caused by a lot of things. Ive thought for quite a while bots will be pushing up the currency prices since rmters will only want to trade in exalts. Creating more pressure to swap c to ex, however botters wont run that often on standard and the c:ex ratio is also crazy there.

I dont think rmt doing any preasure on it, if you go any rmt site u can see that u can buy any currency not only exalts, chaos is also very actual.

Problem is chaos income from bots chaos recipy.

Many streamers would say chaos recipy is waste of time, better skipp all low cost things and kill more mobs per hour (I'm not 100% agree with it, but Ziz explain it very well in one of his podcast video).

But Ziz play hc with 1:20 ration, and many ppl on hc think that chaos recipy is waste of time on hc.
Could you imagine what ppl think about chaos recipy in sc with 1:70 ratio?

So why then we got so many chaos orbs on sc if players are not focusing on chaos recipy?

Try to think about that way: on SC and HC currency ratio different not becouse on SC players want exalts more than players in HC, this ratio caused by huge chaos income from chaos recipy on SC.
I play PoE alot and I can say that I have 1 ex drop per 15-25 chaos drop, so there is no reason for 1:70 ratio based on pure drop rate. Must be chaos recipy, but players not doing chaos recipy alot... So must be bots.

^^ Someone rmting 10ex is not gonna take 700c, its just to much currency in a small trade window, also nearly all valuable gear is priced in ex so thats what ppl who rmt will want.
Bots arent the only reason that chaos to ex has risen the amount of jewellery to make c recipe is much higher then it used to be. I used to do mf dom runs with legacy iiq gear and it was common to get no jewellery. Now on a single map you will often get 3 pieces.
You can rest assured that every public purchasable popular bot ggg will own and characteristics of it will be in there automated bot tracking processes.

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Fhark a écrit :

^^ Someone rmting 10ex is not gonna take 700c, its just to much currency in small trade window, also nearly all valuable gear is priced in ex so thats what ppl who rmt will want.

Yes it is strong point, but if you follow some rmt web sites and read comments (comments is very important there couse it is risky to buy rmt and you need to be sure you will get your currency after you pay) you will discovery ppl posting like (bought 2ex good seller, bought 100c good seller etc) its rare when ppl buy like 10ex+.

Also you said valuable gear cost many chaos thats why priced in exalts, but why they cost many chaos?
Cheak HC trade 6 link regalia priced in chaos many valuable gear priced in chaos. Because there is no huge chaos income on hc and chaos cost more thats it.

Moreover most of the trades happening is like 5c-3ex price limit, you can find it simply go poe trade and try to find 10ex+ item and notice how much time it is on sale (usually it is like 3-20 days)

So there is defenatly impact of rmt and valuable items but it is not so huge. Just think difference in bot tolerant sc and hc is more than 3 times. And btw rmt is also work on hc.

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IllusorySuperiority a écrit :

Im not convinced this is caused by bots. Rather by flippers.

That's not possible. Flippers are still bound to the finite number of currency existing in the league. You can't make orbs at a high enough rate to control the market. The only way to produce currency is by finding it or using recipes, which means finding the items required. Unless someone has found a way to dupe them and GGG hasn't caught on. Even RMT is still bound to these rules.

Next people are going to start blaming immigrants lol

Is it possible that there is a sort of counterfeit currency? I mean seriously? I'm not saying no, I'm just asking. Could they do it without GGG catching on?

Also to whoever said there isn't any RMT in standard; it's all over the place now.

^^ i said that botting wont be as popular in standard since the price for an ex is much cheaper in real dollars. never said that rmt wont exist there.