MFing in PoE...

I have a self-found MFer and use him for alteration/jeweller farming. Piety, Dominus, Maps, whatever.

Its great fun seeing loads of loot drop and the difference is night and day compared to a non-mf character (and i only run 236IIR 26IIQ which is nothing compared to some of you guys).

Thing is, I certainly don't feel compelled to play him rather than my other main exiles.

I think the main reason for this is the fact I don't trade. I MF farm just for me and am not constantly pressuring myself into farming chaos or whatever for trading. Thats why I think it feels job-like for a lot of players, rather than them playing for the fun parts of the game.

Its upsetting to see some players complain they haven't had anything "good" drop and then only correlate "good" with an item being worth "x amount of exalts". Personally, I just don't see the appeal in that.

with the recent drop rate buff, in the last 5 days i found 2*montregul's grasp, 1*prism guardian, 1*devoto's devotion,1*daresso,1*saffell's frame, 1 exalted 1 divine

mapping 3-4 hours in solo/day, and 1-2hours in party ( i never find anything in party because i dont kill every monsters obv )

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iamstryker a écrit :

Been playing a little over 3 months eh?

So, what's the deal?

if base iiq or iir was much higher than current, i wouldnt like it, personally i did quit diablo 2 when shops started to sell every kind of existing item and perfect items, prices of perfect items did drop and it was easy to get top gear.

if it was much easier to get #1top uniques in this game, players base would drop a lot because there is not motivation to get better items if you allready have the top and the future life of this game would simply be cut by 50%


standard league would be immediately destroyed

mf drop rate is fine

finding a shavronne or mjolner should be very very rare, personally i found 2* tyraels in 2-3 years of diablo 2 using mf gear and playing much more than path of exile, top uniques should have that drop rate to make the game last longer, the drop rate here it's fine

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iamstryker a écrit :

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Swagtrain a écrit :

And inb4 "You have to wear MF gear"

That is a myth perpetuated by players who haven't studied the game to possess enough game knowledge to realize the many possibilities of making currency in this game with no MF or stock market simulator.

I don't really think its a myth. Ya you can try to do no MF and just farm very fast but its just not the same. With a MF character you can kill one boss and get like 15 rares to drop. With no MF I will often see no rares at all. That's a night and day difference.

Sure you can do other things to make currency like trading/flipping. But I don't think that's a good argument as to why its ok for MF to be so powerful. Its not a good system and it doesn't offer a lot of choice. New players can never stack much of it and even if you have plenty of currency only certain builds can do a good job of stacking it. It narrows the possibilities for players instead of providing options.

Absolutely untrue, if you know what you are doing you can make as much or more currency spamming high level maps than magic finding, but I don't enjoy that, and I don't enjoy doing atziri. I don't know why people insist that narrowing the possibilities of what you can do in this game is a good thing.

MFing is the best way new players can make currency because it is the less involved and easiest way, but, of course, once you learn the game you have the option to abandon magic find gear completely and still make tons of currency without touching trade chat.

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bunnyxian90 a écrit :

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Swagtrain a écrit :

Removing MF would only continuate the narrowing of possibilities in the game.

Just like I don't think removing trading, or removing atziri, or removing really powerful uniques from the game would improve the game just because I don't do atziri or use powerful uniques doesn't mean I want people to be forced to not be able to do those things if they like them as they are completely optional, just like magic find stats.

Since you are able to farm with so many clients in a single machine with countless of hours, I don't think the amount of "lower than optimum IIR IIQ" you are wearing got any pull back effect.
Certain players do not have the luxury of sitting to farm for 6 hours or 12 hours with low MF.


"That is a myth perpetuated by players who haven't studied the game to possess enough game knowledge to realize the many possibilities of making currency in this game with no MF or stock market simulator."

Did you? All I can see how you make currency is farming Dominus with multiple clients. Is your statement even supported by you? Not against you or anything, but I really don't see other more effective way than you have excluded "No MF and Trading".

Aren't you doing both,? Moreover, for a player that have played so long in this game for years, you are doing Dominus farm with considerable MF for so many hours, isn't that you have concluded farming with MF is the effective way? I don't see you are doing any other way around to "realize the many possibilities of making currency in this game with no MF or stock market simulator."

Your entire argument is based on ad hominem, but... if you may open your imagination for a few seconds, I do what I do in this game the way I do it because of this thing called FUN and why the fuck else would I do it? I love everything about the process of playing the way I do on a hardcore league it's just intensely more interesting to me than holding down Q or Right click in 78 maps for 16 hours per day for 2 months, or getting forced into playing one of a few builds that can actually farm atziri and uber atziri on invasion league. Lucrative profit to be had at Atziri and Uber Atziri and that is what I would do if I play this game solely for $$$$$ and not for fun, but I don't find it enjoyable. But yes, I have made currency many ways in this game, I've ran high level maps, done stock market simulator, there isn't a large gap in either.

Keep repeating your arguments to yourself even though all of the top players in the game barely magic find AT ALL, and mostly only do it the first week or two in the league to stack gear and make quick early profits off of being ahead.

I mean HvC has made SOOOOOOO god damn much more currency than me without magic finding at all, if I was in this game solely to stack the $$$ why would I not follow in his footsteps, like I haven't even made probably 5% of what he made this league.

But, I gotta get out of this thread, thankfully GGG has more sense than the players that post the most on these forums and they will make the right choices, even though the balance right now is pretty good if you have any game knowledge what-so-ever.

If you want to come on the stream and talk about it feel free, forums breed toxicity in everyone.

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xSyK0TiC a écrit :

You'll only watch as others get the good stuff. Like today, I turn over a rock, and bam, Moljnir drops...in a party of two, and not for me. Sad day, that is all.

That's the reason i quitted MFing a long time ago. I used to play with a sporker 125\430 iiq\iir and the best stuff i found in over 10 months (from start of OB) of 74-77\78 is BoR and Aegis Aurora, meanwhile other group members got Kaom's, Auxiums, Shav, Voltaxic and others high value uniques.

The first week after i quitted this spec i found Kaom's Heart with 0\0 mf gear with my marauder...

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mouhanad a écrit :

MF (iir/iiq) should be removed completely from the games... It is a sucky legacy mechanic from diablo...

No, it's fine mechanic. Very helpful for new players, and provides additional aspect of game.

After running a 480IIR/120IIQ MF summoner for a long time and selling in a shop I realized it was very effective. It prevented me from playing other classes becuase it was so effective. The only problem was it felt too much like a chore or like work. I rarely found an upgrade for my own characters and mostly just sold things using poe.xyz and a shop on the forums. It is honestly just not very fun. I think they should remove MF from the game completely.

I also quit playing since I realized this was the most effective way to play and I didn't want to play this way anymore.

So I did something I never thought I would ever do again. I started to play Diablo 3 again becuase my brother convinced me to try it out. I HATED this game and swore I would never play until they removed the AH and made loot actually good. Although I have come to realize the AH wasn't even the problem in Vanilla D3..it was the fact that the loot was terrible and about 100 other things that were terrible. They removed the AH and now loot actually drops for your character. It is tailered towards what class your are playing 95% of the time and you can actually find your own gear and upgrades. Items are not tradeable(except for with members of your party for 2 hours only)

It is honestly a relief to just go play and find your own items and not have to worry about what item will become legacy or not or what item will be worth more or less in a week. They is no economy to worry about. ALSO THERE IS NO MF STACKING IN THE GAME AT ALL It is quite amazing actually and a lot of fun.

I really think that path of exile is better in a lot of ways and the build diversity is amazing but I just don't think I will come back to it until there is either an auction house, easier way to trade, or bind on account items only. If POE dropped MF, and redesigned everything so that items were account only it would be a lot more fun then the current trading situation. I might come back for random things but I am not sure.

I don't really want to de-rail anything and turn this into d3 vs poe but I just wanted to point out a game that is successful without MF and voice my opinion that I think removing MF would actually make POE better.