Looting Options Discussion (I will update this thread Daily)

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Flatlander57 a écrit :

First, I will explain why Instanced Looting does not work in PoE
Loot is determined by whoever got the last hit. Meaning quantity and rarity is calculated from the player who opened a chest or killed a creature. Giving the items that one player increased the quantity or rarity of to other players with him having no chance to see or loot is unfair.

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Problems with looting right now
The biggest problem with looting right now is that in a group, if you aren't concentrating on looting items, you will be beaten to the looting by other players. This isn't necessarily bad... but it can be very frustrating to some players, and frustrating situations aren't fun.

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Flatlander57 a écrit :

First, I will explain why Instanced Looting does not work in PoE
Loot is determined by whoever got the last hit. Meaning quantity and rarity is calculated from the player who opened a chest or killed a creature. Giving the items that one player increased the quantity or rarity of to other players with him having no chance to see or loot is unfair.

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Dudebag a écrit :

grouping makes game much easier, and also more loot.

FFA should stay as is.
semi should have a penalty to drop rate.
non FFA should have a bigger penalty to drop rate.


YET i know some people will complain that coordinated group will have so much advantages over non blah blah blah.

typical wow player who wants everything handed to them.

i say fuck them

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Hey guys, just wanted to throw in my feedback on this issue. We're well aware there there are a lot of different opinions about contested loot in POE, and while we're pretty happy with the current implementation, it is far from set in stone.

Fundamentally, POE is a game about tough choices, about making your way in a harsh world with few initial resources. This is a theme that runs through the whole game, from the starting areas, to the cryptic early NPCs, to the lack of respecs, and the quickly ramping difficulty. Having quasi-FFA loot definitely falls right in line with the general cutthroat, competitive aesthetic of Wraeclast.

However, we pay a lot of attention to feedback, and we absolutely recognize that the current system is pretty brutal on some players, especially new players, or those with slower connections of computers. I know exactly how it feels to have loot snagged out from under your nose, having played Diablo 2 for many many years. It's a frustrating experience that often makes you question why you're even playing in the first place.

Conversely, in a good group that has some basic "gentleman's rules", the current FFA-timer implementation VASTLY speeds up the pace of game play. We've tinkered around with a lot of different loot timers, and we've found that when we extend them, even by a little bit, the pace of the game drags considerably. You want to just be moving along all the time, going from pack to pack, blowing stuff up. The last thing you want to be doing is standing around every time some stuff dies, waiting for all your little bars to decay.

When everyone agrees to play by a fundamental set of rules, be they real "FFA" or "leave stuff alone that's not yours", the loot tends to average out pretty well anyway. Groups can also verbally punish or shame a player who appears to be abusing the drop system, and you do decide who you party with.

Ultimately, we believe that having an FFA-based system is good for the general health of the game. When you play in a group with completely player-bound, invisible-to-others loot like Diablo 3 or Torchlight 2, you really get the feeling that you're playing in a bubble. The other players with you might as well be bots, and there is little shared or vicarious joy in lucky stuff that drops. That's something we're definitely trying to avoid.

POE has proven to be extremely popular since our Open Beta release, far popular than we could have expected, and so we're obviously catering to a pretty wide audience. A certain portion of that audience is put off by the cutthroat nature of loot distribution in the game, and we're not deaf to those concerns. This is an issue that is going to be going through a lot of internal discussion in the weeks and months ahead.

Thanks for the understanding and for the great feedback. I really appreciate all the time people have taken to post here, as well as their passion for the game!

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Flatlander57 a écrit :

FFA Looting:
True free-for-all would be whoever clicks it, gets it. In a first come first serve fashion with no restrictions.

Semi-FFA Looting:
Semi_FFA is allowing anyone to pick up any loot, but giving random party members a slight advantage (such as a short timer where only they can pick up the item)

Non-FFA Looting:
This would be the same as Semi-FFA except the timer would never run out. So you could see what others are looting but you cannot EVER "steal" it.

Instanced Looting:
In this mode, each player would have his own loot and no one else could see it other than that player.

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First, I will explain why Instanced Looting does not work in PoE
Loot is determined by whoever got the last hit. Meaning quantity and rarity is calculated from the player who opened a chest or killed a creature. Giving the items that one player increased the quantity or rarity of to other players with him having no chance to see or loot is unfair.

"

Problems with looting right now
The biggest problem with looting right now is that in a group, if you aren't concentrating on looting items, you will be beaten to the looting by other players. This isn't necessarily bad... but it can be very frustrating to some players, and frustrating situations aren't fun.