POE2 disrespecting our time (Post-0.4.0)

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DistributedAutomaton#5739 a écrit :

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Japonbu#0742 a écrit :

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3. SSF IS UNPLAYABLE (Forced Trade) I want to play Solo Self-Found. I don't want to trade. But the game punishes me for it. Why does SSF share the same Item Rarity/Quantity rates as Trade League?

I almost exclusively play SSF, and it's in excellent shape. But ignore me; look at all the people who ladder in SSF, and are better than both you and me. Don't make a challenge league easier. Hard disagree on your suggestions.

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TOP_BOMJIK#4977 a écrit :

there is no challenge , there sacrifice of grinding part to uplift trading part its no challenge , its player disrespect in order to shoehorn the "vision" in

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Japonbu#0742 a écrit :

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TOP_BOMJIK#4977 a écrit :

there is no challenge , there sacrifice of grinding part to uplift trading part its no challenge , its player disrespect in order to shoehorn the "vision" in

Using the top 0.1% of the ladder to justify a broken system is just survivorship bias. Just because a pro can grind through the friction doesn't mean the design is good; it just means they have more free time than you.

Grind is not a skill check. Making SSF loot identical to Trade isn't "challenging," it's just a way to force players into a market they don't want to be in. If your definition of a "challenge league" is just a test of who can tolerate boredom the longest, then you're not playing a game—you're just participating in a war of attrition.

Stop confusing tediousness with difficulty.

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Japonbu#0742 a écrit :

Hi everyone,

I sent this to support, and they told me to post here. I know I’m not the only one feeling this way, especially after the "Last of the Druids" (0.4.0) update.

We all love the combat and visuals, but the structure of the game is actively pushing players away. Here is the reality for those of us who have jobs, families, and limited playtime:

1. STOP WASTING OUR TIME (The "Walking Simulator" Problem) Not everyone is a streamer with 16 hours a day to burn. Some of us have 1-2 hours a night. When I spend that limited time just walking through massive, empty zones (especially in Acts 2 & 3) with zero density, it doesn't feel like gameplay. It feels like a commute.

The Issue: The ratio of walking-to-fighting is completely off.

The Result: By the time we reach maps, we are already burnt out.

2. WE NEED A CAMPAIGN SKIP / ADVENTURE MODE It is 2026. Diablo 4 has a Campaign Skip. Last Epoch has dungeon shortcuts. Why is PoE 2 still forcing us to run the same 20-hour story acts for every single character? I wanted to reroll a Druid, but after realizing I had to do all the fetch quests again with a slower character, I just logged off.

Fix: Once we finish the campaign on our main, let Alts level up in Maps/Delve. Don't punish us for wanting to play your game more.

3. SSF IS UNPLAYABLE (Forced Trade) I want to play Solo Self-Found. I don't want to trade. But the game punishes me for it. Why does SSF share the same Item Rarity/Quantity rates as Trade League?

The game is balanced around a Trade Economy.

Solo players are left starving for loot.

Fix: Give SSF a dedicated loot buff or a "Loot 2.0" system. I shouldn't be forced into Trade League just to make a build viable.

TL;DR: We want to play the game, not run a marathon in empty zones.

Give us an Adventure Mode for Alts.

Buff SSF Loot.

Fix the Pacing.

If you agree, please bump this thread so the devs actually see it. We need changes before the next league.

Cheers.

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karsey#2995 a écrit :

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Japonbu#0742 a écrit :

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TOP_BOMJIK#4977 a écrit :

there is no challenge , there sacrifice of grinding part to uplift trading part its no challenge , its player disrespect in order to shoehorn the "vision" in

Using the top 0.1% of the ladder to justify a broken system is just survivorship bias. Just because a pro can grind through the friction doesn't mean the design is good; it just means they have more free time than you.

Grind is not a skill check. Making SSF loot identical to Trade isn't "challenging," it's just a way to force players into a market they don't want to be in. If your definition of a "challenge league" is just a test of who can tolerate boredom the longest, then you're not playing a game—you're just participating in a war of attrition.

Stop confusing tediousness with difficulty.

I have a full-time job and a level 98 hcssf character, some 85 and 90+ alts, and lots of gear in the stash. There's even still like 2 months left in the league - tons of time. Trade is a tool, not a necessity, and I enjoy the challenge of playing and planning around it's absence. It's just me against the game - not me and everyone else's stash against the game. The "tediousness" of ssf is vastly overstated by players who act like you need t1/t2 affixes on all your gear to do a build and complete content.

All that shit gets filtered out and doesn't even make it to the market in trade league so you've all forgotten it even exists, don't even pick it up yourselves, and then you hop into ssf with your trade-league loot filters on and act like the game is "disrespecting your time" lol.

Opinion feels brought to us by the same people who think we need an "exalt sink" who also won't slam a single item until they start dropping ilvl 82 gear with 2-3 t2+ affixes or hoard exalts for trading.

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GabrielCorso#5386 a écrit :

Thing is, GGG is competing against other games, not against pure boredom.

There's a threshold, and it's much higher in PoE 1 but still very present, where it's more enjoyable to drop their games and go do something else, even if you still feel like playing ARPGs.

GGG doesn't see the clear drop-off points in their design where players opt out, not because they're done with the game, gameplay or genre, but because they get fed up with menial bullshit and busywork.

PoE 2 SSF is more busywork than learning valuable skills IRL, let that sink in.

Simple games can afford to be boring, but to be boring and needlessly complex is a big mistake on a seasonal model.

Something is wrong when players drop your "King of ARPGs" to play D2 for the millionth time.

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karsey#2995 a écrit :

I have a full-time job and a level 98 hcssf character, some 85 and 90+ alts, and lots of gear in the stash. There's even still like 2 months left in the league - tons of time. Trade is a tool, not a necessity, and I enjoy the challenge of playing and planning around it's absence. It's just me against the game - not me and everyone else's stash against the game. The "tediousness" of ssf is vastly overstated by players who act like you need t1/t2 affixes on all your gear to do a build and complete content.

All that shit gets filtered out and doesn't even make it to the market in trade league so you've all forgotten it even exists, don't even pick it up yourselves, and then you hop into ssf with your trade-league loot filters on and act like the game is "disrespecting your time" lol.

Opinion feels brought to us by the same people who think we need an "exalt sink" who also won't slam a single item until they start dropping ilvl 82 gear with 2-3 t2+ affixes or hoard exalts for trading.

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Ondrugs#1147 a écrit :

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There is no need to argue against any of this cause it is only zoomy crying without substance to it.