300+ Divines an hour

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rob_korn#1745 a écrit :

The "I can't buy" conclusion will be the same for a casual all the time. Supply and demand is locking you out, not inflation, not fubgun, not temple.

The problem isn't the best of the best items are too expensive, it is everything else also. I saw a mirror tier Talisman go for 400d before the holten exploit, a week later, garbage Talismans in comparison are going for that. Go look at 120% Adorned, starting price a mirror, LOL. Those should be obtainable by a casual player who saved up, now a mirror for one instead of like 200-300d on the high end like it used to be, come on man.

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Nulledout#3809 a écrit :

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rob_korn#1745 a écrit :

The "I can't buy" conclusion will be the same for a casual all the time. Supply and demand is locking you out, not inflation, not fubgun, not temple.

The problem isn't the best of the best items are too expensive, it is everything else also. I saw a mirror tier Talisman go for 400d before the holten exploit, a week later, garbage Talismans in comparison are going for that. Go look at 120% Adorned, starting price a mirror, LOL. Those should be obtainable by a casual player who saved up, now a mirror for one instead of like 200-300d on the high end like it used to be, come on man.

You quote my "supply and demand" but failed to understand it.

You talk about 120% adorned (is that entry gear for you ?). There are about 50 on the market right now. For about what, 120k players on steam alone ? When only 50 people can buy this, regardless of price or game mechanic, casual Bob will never buy it. It doesn't matter if it's 10 div, 1 mirror or 1000 mirrors. There will always be 50 bigger fishes.

"Those should be obtainable"
It is, it's not on lockdown. You can go farm it instead of buying it. Oh wait.

Anyway, if you didn't understand the first time, I don't expect you to get it magically this time.

All exploiters should be banned. It's as simple as that.

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rob_korn#1745 a écrit :

"Those should be obtainable"
It is, it's not on lockdown. You can go farm it instead of buying it. Oh wait.

I am your average casual dad player, but I play the market at work. I make more than enough flipping in normal leagues, go check my characters. Also, 300 dub is more than attainable for the average player after a few weeks. If that is all they buy. 1 mirror on the other hand is not. A 7-10div an hour casual combating inflation from an unintended change is also not surmountable.

Your condescending tone tells me enough about you as a person, I will not be responding to you after this post.

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Echothesis#7320 a écrit :

Maybe GGG will realize that their loot becomes exponentially more broken with rarity growth, and should be capped for high MF. Party MF bonuses should be removed as well, and replaced by personal loot for every party member, generated without busted rarity.

+1

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Nulledout#3809 a écrit :

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rob_korn#1745 a écrit :

"Those should be obtainable"
It is, it's not on lockdown. You can go farm it instead of buying it. Oh wait.

I am your average casual dad player, but I play the market at work. I make more than enough flipping in normal leagues, go check my characters. Also, 300 dub is more than attainable for the average player after a few weeks. If that is all they buy. 1 mirror on the other hand is not. A 7-10div an hour casual combating inflation from an unintended change is also not surmountable.

Your condescending tone tells me enough about you as a person, I will not be responding to you after this post.

I don't have any condescending tone. I'm trying to show you that you should set your expectations according to your play time.
Temple change didn't bring inflation, it's there from day 1. Because people still farm exalts for example, which has no real sink, so it loses value overtime.

Even if everyone is doing 10 div an hour, when you do 20 div a day, there are guys doing 200div a day at the same rate than you, and will outbid you on top items everytime.

So no, you are not entitled to buy a 120% adorned, or a mirror. Those are rare for a reason, and are also not required at all to crush the game.
You can think I try to insult you, or you can understand what I'm telling you and stop frustrating yourself.

The market will adapt with or without you and me anyway.

The temple absolutely 100% brought inflation to an exponential level,

please do not deny this fact.

If you cant even admit it to that, no honest conversation can be had with you.

Also I have adapted without any issues

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ZaruenVoresu#5823 a écrit :

The temple absolutely 100% brought inflation to an exponential level,

please do not deny this fact.

If you cant even admit it to that, no honest conversation can be had with you.

Also I have adapted without any issues

The temple patches didn't bring that much inflation, temple maxers are irrelevant compared to the mass not giving a damn about it. Christmas holidays and people playing more probably had a way bigger leverage than temple itself.

We can both pretend we have the biggest one and tell the other is wrong, or look at a stable currency like mirror :

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There is no big inflexion, it followed a very stable upward trend. On the other hand, there were some spikes, which are market panic sales, because people like you were crying everywhere they could. This is confirmed by the number of sales spike matching on the bottom bargraph.
As all panic moments in a market, you get a big upward followed by a small crash, until market stabilizes back to it's normal progress.

As I said, the overall trend is upward, because inflation starts at day 1 (lack of currency sinks overall + base temple being a currency printer). Temple paches didn't bring a significant inflation, just unstable market because of doubts. The exponential inflation is mostly in your head, or at least not where you think it is. Inflation and volatility are different things.

You can do that with other key items, you will find overall the same trend. Do it yourself, I checked but couldn't be bothered posting more screenshots.

Nota : Don't be fooled trying to check the market with rare items, those are scam fest, people are selling with margins in the 10x sometimes 100x. Use you currency and craft, you'll get a bargain and knowledge on the way.

Stop using currency values as static numbers.
There is no ratio , there is no fixed value.

The value of these items are perceived value.
They are all relative.

If you could kill Atziri by throwing Exalts at her , they would quadruple in value.

Divines are more common , so their value relative to something else goes down.
That IS a healthy market.
That IS a working market.

These guys here want to be China .
They want to Peg the currencies at values and have them stick there regardless of reality.

If you want to measure things use time.

figure out what a divine is worth in minutes. = X
figure out what the item you want is worth in minutes. = Y

Y/X , wont change for the whole league ... well ... whatever...
The price of divines will go all over the place ...
The ratio wont.

The only consistent value is time.
Convert to time then see if something is broken.
It isn't

What's funny is this has actually been the first time I've ever liked the economy. Vaal temple actually feels like it fixed so many problems in terms of accessing crafting and participating in making geared out builds viable.