Merchant tab is NOT an upgrade.

Upgrade is definitely not the correct phrasing for switching premium stash tabs to merchant tabs.

1.
There's no affinity options on merchant tabs.

2.
No access to your tabs until act 4.

3.
Only accessible in hideout.

4.
Not available in PoE 1, effectively removing content you have payed for.

5.
There is no way of reverting the upgrade.

It is a SWITCH to a different kind of tab entirely, not an upgrade.

I, in my excitement of getting async trade instantly upgraded all my tabs and now I can't play PoE 1 any more. Hope this post maybe prevents anyone else doing my mistake and give us some QoL regarding merchant tabs.

I see no reason why we should not be able to have affinity or accessibility to our tabs before act 4. Making the tab "marketable" should be an easy on or off option code wise and it not being that is just bad design imo.

EDIT: Seeing as the thread has grown quite a bit and I do not expect people to read through all of it I will add some of my other points that I have brought up in this thread in response to criticism and discussion.

Lost functionality
You can not store: Uncut gems, currency, essence, runes/soul cores, artifacts, splinters or delirium currency.

The ability to use the tabs for storage only, making them public or not etc.

I like the merchant tabs and the new trading system
This is not a post criticizing the addition or implementation of the new trading system or tabs.
What I am criticizing is offering the tabs as an upgrade with limited information upon conversion of previously mentioned lost functionality.

Upgrading should not remove core functionality
In terms of upgrades it should not remove core functionality.
Original stash tab(v1) - Pure storage.
Premium stash tab(v2) - Same storage with added color coding, naming and ability to make tabs public to the market.
Merchant tab(v3) - not meant for storage, can not store certain items, can not be made public or not, no affinity. Adds access to in game market.
I argue this is not an upgrade, but a different type of tab(while it still being a great addition).

Summary by MathiasSoul
MathiasSoul summarized my stance very well so I will quote him here.

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MathiasSoul#7397 a écrit :

So the best long story short on the OP's points is:

They like the tabs and the system overall.

However they do not like the terminology of "Upgrade" being used to encourage sales PAIRED WITH lack of UPFRONT information provided by the seller. In OP's case, they were led to a false conclusion due to this omission of information and ended up "Overspending" as a result.

This placed them in an incredibly inconvenient situation and left them with a sense of what's called "Buyer's Remorse". OP is complaining about this in particular in order to shine a light on the poor experience and request there be a more friendly consumer approach going forward

Thanks for reading :)

what happens if you upgrade tab that has stuff in poe1 still?

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AcidFrizzy#2252 a écrit :

what happens if you upgrade tab that has stuff in poe1 still?

It will become a remove only tab and not usable anymore in its current state.

The fact that you cannot access your tabs until ACT 4 is actually crazy. Not sure what they were thinking on that.

I don't play poe1 but yeah that is absolutely absurd they disappear from that game, they should at least warn you.

The conversion process also provides no details on the Premium tabs in your stash - the custom names are not there (weren't for me, they were just a numbered list) and no indication if the premium stash tab listed had items in it.

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Woogie#5583 a écrit :

The fact that you cannot access your tabs until ACT 4 is actually crazy. Not sure what they were thinking on that.

I don't play poe1 but yeah that is absolutely absurd they disappear from that game, they should at least warn you.

I think this was intentional for New System Launch

#1- Keeps Bots from accessing right away, have to get to act 4 to do their thing

#2- Limits the amount of players at once, so issues can be addressed quickly before the entire game population get to it. Think about it, 200k ppl access and something is bugged and lose all their items... a lot worse than say 1000 people. I am sure it will change in the future, but it was actually a smart decision to make From a technical and developer viewpoint, remember EA is not for players, it is for Devs.

They did warn, they said it several times in the Q and As. They will be removed from POE 1, and when this feature gets added to POE 1, these Merchant tabs will carry over. Clearly no one was listening.

Also worth mentioning, you can not even store certain items. Uncut gems, currency, essence, runes/soul cores and probably stuff I haven't yet unlocked like delirium etc.

So I REALLY struggle to see how this is an upgrade.

A good example of an upgrade is from the normal stash tabs to premium. That's an upgrade. All the core functionality with sugar on top.

Some upgrades might strip features in certain cases, where it makes sense. For example deprecated systems being discontinued etc.

That is not the case here though, all these systems of storage are usable, especially in PoE 2 where there isn't even tabs for everything.

Further more it's very good to have in PoE 1 as well whenever new league items/currencies gets introduced without specific stash support.

This is in no way an upgrade. It is a DIFFERENT type of tab fundamentally, and we can't get our old tabs back after conversion?

Please help me make sense out of this, ggg.

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Cadmus185#9233 a écrit :

They did warn, they said it several times in the Q and As. They will be removed from POE 1, and when this feature gets added to POE 1, these Merchant tabs will carry over. Clearly no one was listening.

Any experienced developer knows that any obvious problem that can arise from a feature or new implementation will happen in like 99% of cases when you're dealing with a large sample size of consumers.

Doesn't matter how much they talked about it, or if they wrote it in the text.
This WILL happen without the correct warning steps and correct information being supplied.

This is first of all not an upgrade, it's a switch to a different type of tab that is missing A LOT of core functionality. I don't recall hearing anything about that.

And that it's not reversable is just extremely weird in my opinion.

It means that all that core functionality you payed to have just got joinked from you without that information being supplied.

And giving the excuse that players should have watched any type of media to get the information is just... unreasonable. It should be stated CLEARLY and THOROUGLY what you are switching between. This is peoples money, for you maybe that's not a big deal, but for others it is.

Ya gonna say i got tricked heavily into the idea that these tabs are "upgrades" ....

The option offer was not "Convert to a Merchant tab" It is UPGRADE to a Merchant tab. Upgrade means you KEEP ALL OF THE FUNCTION OF THE OLD, WHILE OFFERING NEW FEATURES!

There was no mention of them not having the customization options...You cannot use them for storage early game, you cannot use them for storage late game, you cannot customize their color/name....Now I have converted 17 of my old tabs into the new tabs, and I am out of storage options! What the hell GGG....

Make it so that these tabs are actually just "BETTER" premium stash tabs!

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tiberius1116#7027 a écrit :

Ya gonna say i got tricked heavily into the idea that these tabs are "upgrades" ....

The option offer was not "Convert to a Merchant tab" It is UPGRADE to a Merchant tab. Upgrade means you KEEP ALL OF THE FUNCTION OF THE OLD, WHILE OFFERING NEW FEATURES!

There was no mention of them not having the customization options...You cannot use them for storage early game, you cannot use them for storage late game, you cannot customize their color/name....Now I have converted 17 of my old tabs into the new tabs, and I am out of storage options! What the hell GGG....

Make it so that these tabs are actually just "BETTER" premium stash tabs!

100% agreed. I don't even mind them losing functionality if you, let's say "toggle" them to be market tabs, if that was a to-be feature. As long as you can toggle it off etc. at your own whim.