Resales

Just as an Idea, may be some DB with resalers should be created by community? There are a lot of business guys, who just buy -> resale. Not investing even own risks, like corrupting as example. 5 min and this guy bought and not waiting for something resales with x3 price. Of course there are no rules about it and can not be. But with community effort their numbers can decrease
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@doth_lion

Another one "hero", who wants to take from society everything and to give nothing back

@JinzerAA

I think I should explain why I'm trying to escalate this question before reaching GGG
First - general concept justice/equity..., which is familiar to animals. Trading exists for a millennium, but what did traders give to get extra profit? Delivery from different far countries, with risks of loosing all goods in storms, fire, robbery etc., storing goods, delivery, distribution... They weren't saint, but they invested risks, their time, they created services. Whole cities appeared on trade routes. And in current situation in the game speculators, not traders, buy an item, what is cheaper than in general on market and on the same service, which they didn't develop, in the same way resale it in x3, x2. Not creating something, not accepting risks, with minimum effort. Usual parasites, not even saprophyte
Second - currency inflation. How often can I get a Divine orb? It's a red day, when I hear this sound, It's a really rare currency. And in usual drop, I didn't see more than 2 a day. There are other ways to get them, selling omens, farming valuable items from pinnacle bosses, selling fragments, etc. I'm not sure, it's common to get in total 10d per a day (usually less), farming all this all the day. And trading items you found. In 2 seasons/leagues, the most valuable items I found/sold (it was in 2d league), costed more than 10d, were Trial master's diamond with +83% (for tens and tens time I got just 1), I wanted 25d, but bargained for 22d, and some quiver, on marked same costed some cosmic price, and nobody was interested, so the price was gradually lowed to 20d and was sold. It's 2 leagues in sum, it's 973h currently in steam in this game. And these speculations devalue my time in x3 x2, x... times, inflating market, rising prices to the sky. In prev league I had 2 characters, I played most of all, in this league there are 2 characters too. And not in prev, not in this league I'm not wearing any item I found/crafted myself (except flasks and some charms, they are not good, but not needed better). Everything was bought. This game has the worst suffix/affix system I saw. The best was in Grim down, there were 1prefix, 1 suffix, and each had if I'm not mistaken, 3 properties related to each other. So you couldn't get +fire dmg and -%from mob lighting resistance. Adequate system is in Last Epoch. There are 2prefix, 2suffix. It's harder to get adequate, but possible, honestly, I couldn't get sword on my last character with synergistic suffix/prefix. And you can cheep and target change them. Of course, it's still terrible random. And here there are 6! with almost no options to change them targeted. I found use only for chaos omen with minimal value. Some expedition mechanic was added with combination. I took 2 items with needed for me 1 prefix, 1 suffix (+7 melee gems, ~+160 phys dmg), and chance for success was ~1.67% LOL! Mb there are better chances with amulets, that prefix/suffixes are lower tiers, but I didn't find any amulet with +3 gems. And lost any interest to buy and try. And EVEN if you're success, you need to add 4 more. So as for me, this mechanic is trash. Essences are still terrible random with option to add shorter list of properties with unpredictable values, and it's still 2 from 6. More over my rarity chance on the warrior is 130%+, and on lich 150%+ and both have gold talismans. So investing as much time I didn't find any item I wear, or I could craft. Only omens manipulations, changing the lowest tier. And market is the only option to buy something, when one of thousands players find something he doesn't need, but I need and may be found something what he needs. But such speculators are destroying market, rising prices to the sky, preventing any option to get needed item with regular options, farming content. And they have access, having so much currency to get any item they want/wish, what as I understand from described mechanics is not intended by developers, they/you want us to suffer.
Third - you, GGG, loosing newcomers. I've described problems with finding adequate items for end game content you've created. So a regular player, can't find anything normal for himself, not been able to farm hundreds of divs and on the market he sees some sky values. And drops the game. Not been able to do something.
As a decision, there may be could be an auction. Of course, it's develop time and effort, but I think players, who didn't drop the game, will be higher. And there is a simple decision with minimal effort. Item on changing owner can not be sold for 4-7 days, if it wasn't mutated. Under mutation, I don't mean quality or adding sockets. I mean exalts, chaos, annulment and of course corruption (divine usually won't fail the item completely, so can not be calculated as mutation).

One of the foundational pillars of this game has always been free trade. If you think animals understand "justice and equity", you're on the wrong planet.

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Lapa#7073 a écrit :

Just as an Idea, may be some DB with resalers should be created by community? There are a lot of business guys, who just buy -> resale. Not investing even own risks, like corrupting as example. 5 min and this guy bought and not waiting for something resales with x3 price. Of course there are no rules about it and can not be. But with community effort their numbers can decrease
https://ibb.co/4RqjmM42
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@doth_lion

The risk is the player miss evaluate the item price and lose currency...
This kind of investment requires game and market knowledge, if you find expensive don´t buy it, if you think its easy to make currency this way do it yourself...

As someone who doesn't like interacting with trade, the speculators also provide a service to the market.

They are willing to invest in a purchase with the risk that it won't sell for a higher price, or the cost of having to wait much longer to sell it. In exchange, the person who put the item up for cheap gets to sell the item faster.

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prthorun#5304 a écrit :

The risk is the player miss evaluate the item price and lose currency...
This kind of investment requires game and market knowledge, if you find expensive don´t buy it, if you think its easy to make currency this way do it yourself...

What does this knowledge give to the community except your own interest and destroying the market as a phenomenon?

If I considered such behavior acceptable, of course I wouldn't create this topic and did it myself

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Jadian#0111 a écrit :

As someone who doesn't like interacting with trade, the speculators also provide a service to the market.

I'm afraid to argue with you, and have nothing to say if you call this is a "service"

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YNRY#3842 a écrit :

One of the foundational pillars of this game has always been free trade. If you think animals understand "justice and equity", you're on the wrong planet.

May be wrong planet. But read about experiments with primates
Maybe I chose the wrong word. Idk, English is not my native. But the idea is correct

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Lapa#7073 a écrit :

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YNRY#3842 a écrit :

One of the foundational pillars of this game has always been free trade. If you think animals understand "justice and equity", you're on the wrong planet.

May be wrong planet. But read about experiments with primates
Maybe I chose the wrong word. Idk, English is not my native. But the idea is correct

Which primates? There's quite a variety. (Don't answer that; I already know you have no idea what you're talking about).

We can't see your ideas, only what you write. If you understood the market, you'd know that the problem with it is RMT.