Xbows need a massive buff.
I tried to make it work with pathfinder to run'n gun full speed.
Used "OP" deepest tower to get like 5x more dmg.
Used glass cannon doryani's prototype with -170% lightning.
NOW it's playable and fun blasting everything with galvanic shards point blank but...
normal LS build still clears faster haha. And they get to choose their off hand and have normal 75% lightning res.
So yeah, xbows need like 2x more dmg baseline.
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Posté pareeeeechuta#7800le 9 mai 2025 à 11:12:47
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5. I don't understand why reloading Crossbow weapon doesn't work while dodging. Didn't you see Matrix or Max Payne to take an example of them? Is too way difficult for a skillful soldier to reload gun when rolling dodged?? If i avoid a damage by dodging 6m, should i do one more metre pacing to reload weapon??? This mechanism is not essential but crucial to survibility.
- About this issue, I think they should create a Spirit Skill to helps you reload the clip instant when dodge roll. That will make the combat more fluently
Whatever bro that helps saving time of reloading. If Devs want from us to invest tons of passive points then lets just bring reloading time to all weapons and we talk again how happy would be players. Not only f... Crossbow players.
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Posté parteobibu#1278le 9 mai 2025 à 14:09:18
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The nonexistent reload time during dodge roll is the most annoying thing in Crossbows. This only made me quitting this play style. It is 2 time punishment from Devs. One the reload mechanism that need extra passive points and of course only for crossbows becouse bow players are kings. And the second punishment, the extra wasted time during dodge.
Great!!! And we talking about quiver slot for Crossbows... Devs ain't gonna give s.t to us as always.
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Xbows need a massive buff.
I tried to make it work with pathfinder to run'n gun full speed.
Used "OP" deepest tower to get like 5x more dmg.
Used glass cannon doryani's prototype with -170% lightning.
NOW it's playable and fun blasting everything with galvanic shards point blank but...
normal LS build still clears faster haha. And they get to choose their off hand and have normal 75% lightning res.
So yeah, xbows need like 2x more dmg baseline.
your post only tells us that lightning spear is gonna get absolutely destroyed in 0.3.0, not that xbows are going to get buffed.
you literally said you made crossbow viable as a run n gun using a build while lightning spear doesn't need a build and its OP.
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The nonexistent reload time during dodge roll is the most annoying thing in Crossbows.
Guys, just use a Bow. Why can't Crossbows reload during Dodge Roll? Because then that's the only time anyone would ever reload which would be functionally equivalent to just not having Reload which would just make Crossbows goofy looking Bows.
Both mechanically and thematically the ability to reload during a dodge roll completely defeats the purpose of Crossbows as a distinct class of weapon.
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And we talking about quiver slot for Crossbows...
"What if Crossbows didn't have reload and could use a Quiver?"
Then they would be Bows. Just use Bows dude.
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Posté parKerchunk#7797le 10 mai 2025 à 02:01:26
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The nonexistent reload time during dodge roll is the most annoying thing in Crossbows.
Guys, just use a Bow. Why can't Crossbows reload during Dodge Roll? Because then that's the only time anyone would ever reload which would be functionally equivalent to just not having Reload which would just make Crossbows goofy looking Bows.
Both mechanically and thematically the ability to reload during a dodge roll completely defeats the purpose of Crossbows as a distinct class of weapon.
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And we talking about quiver slot for Crossbows...
"What if Crossbows didn't have reload and could use a Quiver?"
Then they would be Bows. Just use Bows dude.
Why don't Bow users have reload time??? I don't get it. Are they privileged?
Yes of course I want to use the reload time on my Crossbow when dodging. It saves me time and increases my SURVIVAL, but that also requires skill. It's not just press a button, you have to find the perfect moment in the hell of the monster's attack.
Isn't this Jonathan's vision? To use our skills to survive during the battle and not "one click" clearing everything!
Dernière édition par teobibu#1278, le 10 mai 2025 à 05:58:35
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Posté parteobibu#1278le 10 mai 2025 à 05:57:34
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After 600 hours playing with Crossbow style and after patch 0.2.0 that brought some positive actions in general Crossbow damage, i noticed some points that should bring more balance and improvements of this weapon type.
1. Bugs related with gems that support Crossbow skills should be fixed with priority as it ruining the combinations and overall experience. Such as Momentum gem that don't work correctly with most Crossbow skills.
2. Jams,Stucks, or whatever make the weapon stop firing during fight is not acceptable but these problems continue happening after patch 0.2.0!
3. Reload Time is pain in the ass and should be seriously improved if not Devs intent to abolish it. Crossbow play style invests to a lot of things and this should be understood that the more bringing of reloading options will not solve the unfair balance as the passive points are really dust in the wind!
4. Quiver Quiver Quiver Quiver....For Christ sake bring us a special gear item that will restore balance and justice between Crossbow and Bow. Both are two handed weapons and both deserve respect. Why are you excluding this benefit from Crossbows? What are you fearing? The difference will be still unnoticeable. A 5-10% increased stats wouldn't ruin the balance. You've done it with the extra ring slot now do it please also in Crossbows.
5. I don't understand why reloading Crossbow weapon doesn't work while dodging. Didn't you see Matrix or Max Payne to take an example of them? Is too way difficult for a skillful soldier to reload gun when rolling dodged?? If i avoid a damage by dodging 6m, should i do one more metre pacing to reload weapon??? This mechanism is not essential but crucial to survibility.
6. Most skills (and i dare to say almost all of them in Endgame) related with Crossbow weapon are useless or significant slow speed and unbalanced compared in other classes. If i make an exception, the Galvanic Shards tries to save the honour with no luck. And this is clear noticeable if you check Crossbow player's most playable skill. So it's important to reconsider your thoughts and maybe change some of them from DMG to DPS style as Galvanic shards do. Bringing new of this style in future will be also good idea.
7. One think that matters a lot in Crossbow's shot firings is bolt's fragment amounts and firing path angle. If I want to fire with Galvanic shards skill, not 6 but 3 bolts in a closed firing angle, i will do it with a special gem that is mented for this specific amendment. Of course the damage will scale immediately to the needs of this amendment. While you brought such similar gems that made amendments to Bow firings, you forgot to support also the Crossbow weapon. Why???
In conclusion there should be still a lot of support coming in future updates that will enhance Crossbow experience and make people return to this weapon style.
4 - You obviously didnt realize that Crossbows are like 2 handed maces and Bows are like 1h maces with a shield.
Just look at the base damage and amount of stats it can roll, bows can reach +3 to skill, Crossbows reach +7
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Posté parprthorun#5304le 10 mai 2025 à 08:41:03
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After 600 hours playing with Crossbow style and after patch 0.2.0 that brought some positive actions in general Crossbow damage, i noticed some points that should bring more balance and improvements of this weapon type.
1. Bugs related with gems that support Crossbow skills should be fixed with priority as it ruining the combinations and overall experience. Such as Momentum gem that don't work correctly with most Crossbow skills.
2. Jams,Stucks, or whatever make the weapon stop firing during fight is not acceptable but these problems continue happening after patch 0.2.0!
3. Reload Time is pain in the ass and should be seriously improved if not Devs intent to abolish it. Crossbow play style invests to a lot of things and this should be understood that the more bringing of reloading options will not solve the unfair balance as the passive points are really dust in the wind!
4. Quiver Quiver Quiver Quiver....For Christ sake bring us a special gear item that will restore balance and justice between Crossbow and Bow. Both are two handed weapons and both deserve respect. Why are you excluding this benefit from Crossbows? What are you fearing? The difference will be still unnoticeable. A 5-10% increased stats wouldn't ruin the balance. You've done it with the extra ring slot now do it please also in Crossbows.
5. I don't understand why reloading Crossbow weapon doesn't work while dodging. Didn't you see Matrix or Max Payne to take an example of them? Is too way difficult for a skillful soldier to reload gun when rolling dodged?? If i avoid a damage by dodging 6m, should i do one more metre pacing to reload weapon??? This mechanism is not essential but crucial to survibility.
6. Most skills (and i dare to say almost all of them in Endgame) related with Crossbow weapon are useless or significant slow speed and unbalanced compared in other classes. If i make an exception, the Galvanic Shards tries to save the honour with no luck. And this is clear noticeable if you check Crossbow player's most playable skill. So it's important to reconsider your thoughts and maybe change some of them from DMG to DPS style as Galvanic shards do. Bringing new of this style in future will be also good idea.
7. One think that matters a lot in Crossbow's shot firings is bolt's fragment amounts and firing path angle. If I want to fire with Galvanic shards skill, not 6 but 3 bolts in a closed firing angle, i will do it with a special gem that is mented for this specific amendment. Of course the damage will scale immediately to the needs of this amendment. While you brought such similar gems that made amendments to Bow firings, you forgot to support also the Crossbow weapon. Why???
In conclusion there should be still a lot of support coming in future updates that will enhance Crossbow experience and make people return to this weapon style.
4 - You obviously didnt realize that Crossbows are like 2 handed maces and Bows are like 1h maces with a shield.
Just look at the base damage and amount of stats it can roll, bows can reach +3 to skill, Crossbows reach +7
Yea but having also reload time and this reload time doen't work while dodging and having movement penaldy and having no quiver...and and and......
Thats seems a lot of punishment for balancing the two classes equal!
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Posté para09368652#0684le 10 mai 2025 à 10:21:45
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Crossbow skills needs to be buffed. Increasing Xbow base damage won't fix the problem. Most support gems can't even let you go high crit play. Mostly you get A and you lost B. Kinda lose-lose situation. What i suggest ;
1- Buff crossbow's base skill multiplyer (attack damage)
2- Increase number of bolts on proper skills such as ex ; Galv Shards - 16 bolts, Explosive Shot 5 - Permafrost Bolts - 4 etc.
3- If xbow user presses reload and dodge rolls , reloading should be continue.
4- Increase Xbow's abilities AOE by %50 or more (for everything)
5- Reduce mana cost of abilities and make some gems Xbow only that gives High Crit & Crit Bonus ( like you did on Spears & BOWs ex Rhoa mount etc )
6- While shooting Xbow user is slowing way too much fix that. Either slow user lightly or give some talent & gem (not like Mobility Gem Support , its weak)
Finally this my kind of question ; If you can use BOW while mounting Rhoa how come you can't mount it while you have Xbows? I m pretty certain Xbows are way easier to use more than Bows if you are riding a mount.
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Posté parVolkiRosso#4831le 10 mai 2025 à 13:26:56
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Crossbow skills needs to be buffed. Increasing Xbow base damage won't fix the problem. Most support gems can't even let you go high crit play. Mostly you get A and you lost B. Kinda lose-lose situation. What i suggest ;
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Finally this my kind of question ; If you can use BOW while mounting Rhoa how come you can't mount it while you have Xbows? I m pretty certain Xbows are way easier to use more than Bows if you are riding a mount.
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This and ONLY THIS with Rhoa pet shows clearly Devs intentions about Crossbow players future. Ιt is not based on any logic. It shows how express Devs their feelings about this type of weapon and overal Mercenery class.
Besides these numbers in statistic show clearly the unbalanced classes that remaining the same from patch 0.1.0.
I don't expect anything from patch 0.3.0. I'm dissaponted and it's time to stop playing until serious changes will make the game fun and balanced.
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Posté parteobibu#1278le 10 mai 2025 à 19:41:02
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