Exp Lost On Death doesn't work in 2025.

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Malgeo318#2320 a écrit :

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meaningful in what degree? thats the issue isnt it.

is it meaningful to lose the xp just on the map you died in? or a flat rate as we have now

also theres the lose of items used to open/juice the map and the time it took to acquire them. isnt that also meaningful?

Lets agree any of those are meaningful. the issue is to what degree should that meaningful death be. one of above? or all of the above? surely a compromise is needed

Slight aside, if the "gitgud" brigade rarely die because they are so skillful why should it matter to them if they remove/adjust the death penalty?
Clearly it isnt affecting them that much so why should they care if less "skillful" players dont get punished as bad.
Its not a compedative game so why does it matter

As for the portal system well it could really highlight the xp lose, imagine dying 3x in a map with 3 mods on it...thats 30% xp gone
now imagine someone dying 6x on a normal map
Unless theres a cap on the XP lose GGG are just creating more problems

Meaningful means you cant just throw your body at a problem and still get the xp from it after using all your portals.

If you are throwing items to juice your maps and you get bagged up by the mobs in the map thats your own damn fault. juice = harder and more rewarding. you dont get the rewards without taking on the risk of the content being harder and "losing out" on those rewards

The compromise is being found, no xp loss on pinnacle bosses is good and they are making less "juiced" content have more portals so you dont lose your maps/currency drops on those maps as often. The compromise isnt going to your side and just removing all penalty from death cause you are frustrated.

Third point is just dumb, its the same reason that anyone cant just do the hardest content in other games just because they want to, you cant just roll into a mythic raid in wow and expect to clear it, you cant roll up to Melania and expect to 1 shot her right after you open the game, there is a sense of pride to a veteran playing hitting 100 because it is hard to do, you have to invest time, currency, and game knowledge into getting there.

If you are dying that often in low mod or white maps the XP penalty is the least of your worries, your build is terrible and you might need to go back to the drawing board. A couple extra passive points isnt going to fix a build that is dying 6 times in white maps.

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Please dont put words into my mouth i never said there should be no death penalty. I argue about the amount of penalties

Thats where the "meaningful degrees" aspect comes from. did you even read the thread?

You advocate for tough penalties i ask to level the playing field since the boss changes or lessen the penalty

...take my items... or XP ...or ...both limited to the current map only

Hell i could even counter with that the penalty isnt harsh enough and the XP lose should delevel us
...i would call that a proper meaningful death with real risk reward. how would you feel about that?

Many deaths happen for BS reasons and are out of the players control as you well know. they can happen anywhere not just in juiced maps. why are there layers of "punishment" for some content yet other content is now excluded?

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Malgeo318#2320 a écrit :

Because the reason they changed pinnacle content wasn’t because the xp penalty existed it was because people were holding off on doing the content until they leveled. Also pinnacle bosses aren’t giving xp anymore either so they are just loot piñatas as long as you can do it in 6 tries. Seems fine.

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well isnt that a clear indication the system is kind of flawed. my guess it they realised removing the penalty would get noticed and to mitigate they removed xp gain so they can use the excuse "but you dont get xp gain from bosses anymore"

dunno how the boss thing works but now what happens?
players can farm bosses endlessly if they have the mats? sell carries?
will that impact economy in any way?

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Malgeo318#2320 a écrit :

...actually there are probably going to be more people engaging with the bosses themselves because they dont have to worry about the xp lost

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If you want a larger player base to be retained for a longer period, they can change the exp lost to simply "You lose exp from the map you died in only."

Not the 10% which currently may be many hours of progress for some players.

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It can stay, if they can tweak it so players don't lose a week of progression.