PoE Forums Are Broken – How to Fix Toxicity & Engagement

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SerialF#4835 a écrit :

who the hell is the op think he is. if ggg has a pb with the feedback section, they will do sth about it, noone needs you and your terrible ideas.

ofc you re trying to silence feedback for some wierd reason. "omg people are complaining, this is too hard for me". i hope ggg never gives you any responsability.

just put a complaint section or sth or just stop coming read the feedback. noone needs you to do the filtering. like the god complex of this guy. people are pissed so yeah, the feedback will be messy, crazy. go into politics in the ussr, you ll love it there.

Toxic af. Did nobody teach you proper manners?
People like you are the reason we need more moderation. If people like you cant give objective constructive feedback and resort to ad hominem nonsense then moderation is required. Btw i dont think you know what ad hominem actually is. You dont seem to be of the educated kind. So here is what ad hominem means.
https://www.txst.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/ad-hominem.html

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Gang5ter15#1071 a écrit :

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SerialF#4835 a écrit :

who the hell is the op think he is. if ggg has a pb with the feedback section, they will do sth about it, noone needs you and your terrible ideas.

ofc you re trying to silence feedback for some wierd reason. "omg people are complaining, this is too hard for me". i hope ggg never gives you any responsability.

just put a complaint section or sth or just stop coming read the feedback. noone needs you to do the filtering. like the god complex of this guy. people are pissed so yeah, the feedback will be messy, crazy. go into politics in the ussr, you ll love it there.

Toxic af. Did nobody teach you proper manners?
People like you are the reason we need more moderation. If people like you cant give objective constructive feedback and resort to ad hominem nonsense then moderation is required. Btw i dont think you know what ad hominem actually is. You dont seem to be of the educated kind. So here is what ad hominem means.
https://www.txst.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/ad-hominem.html

love this place

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AintCare#6513 a écrit :

love this place

I know i was toxic here. But i answer toxicity with toxicity

Angry POE1 Grognards: constant, neverending stream of bile, vitriol and venom about the new game, well beyond anything resembling 'feedback' and usually just bitching about how literally any form of change from POE1 is Horrible Forever(!!!)

A Few Reasonable People: "Hey guys, this is honestly ridiculous and has long since stopped serving any real purpose. Can we maybe take it down a notch?"

Angry PoE1 Grognards: explosive, hypertoxic invective about people Oppressing Their Opinions, white-knighting for GGG, and how everything is All Your Fault for being too stupid to jump on the hatewagon and work yourself into a slobbering berserker shitfit about PoE2 not being an exact dupliclone of PoE1

Ahhh, the beauty of the forums. And people ask me why I actively tell people to avoid Path the First these days.

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Gang5ter15#1071 a écrit :

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AintCare#6513 a écrit :

love this place

I know i was toxic here. But i answer toxicity with toxicity

how is that working out for you?

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AintCare#6513 a écrit :

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Gang5ter15#1071 a écrit :

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AintCare#6513 a écrit :

love this place

I know i was toxic here. But i answer toxicity with toxicity

how is that working out for you?

People mostly stop answering. If you call out their nonsense. They have nothing more to say. They dont have arguments in the first place.
If someone is Toxic and basically has only insults to tell, then you have two options. Call the person out or ignore it. You cant argue with someone who didnt make any arguments.

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Gang5ter15#1071 a écrit :

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AintCare#6513 a écrit :

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Gang5ter15#1071 a écrit :

I know i was toxic here. But i answer toxicity with toxicity

how is that working out for you?

People mostly stop answering. If you call out their nonsense. They have nothing more to say. They dont have arguments in the first place.
If someone is Toxic and basically has only insults to tell, then you have two options. Call the person out or ignore it. You cant argue with someone who didnt make any arguments.

very curious indeed.

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Gang5ter15#1071 a écrit :

People mostly stop answering. If you call out their nonsense. They have nothing more to say. They dont have arguments in the first place.
If someone is Toxic and basically has only insults to tell, then you have two options. Call the person out or ignore it. You cant argue with someone who didnt make any arguments.

Uh, I made the opposite experience. When I went toxic mode 1-2 times, the people on the other side just got more toxic. And that went on until the topic derailed and no one participated anymore. And that was the moment the thread went into oblivion.

Toxicity never helps the game in the end. You may have "won" the argument when you were the last to answer, but you lost the war - that is, to make this game better. That's why we bought EA, isn't it? That's why we invested money and time. We wanted to be part of this new game that has the potential to be the best ARPG that has ever existed. While it still has many flaws, it's still in EA and many changes will happen. The best way we can participate while its in EA is to give good constructive feedback and make suggestion on how to make the game better.

But trading toxicity between players? I doubt that this will help.

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AceNightfire#0980 a écrit :

Uh, I made the opposite experience. When I went toxic mode 1-2 times, the people on the other side just got more toxic. And that went on until the topic derailed and no one participated anymore. And that was the moment the thread went into oblivion.

Yup, thats exactly how it happens.

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AceNightfire#0980 a écrit :

Toxicity never helps the game in the end. You may have "won" the argument when you were the last to answer, but you lost the war - that is, to make this game better. That's why we bought EA, isn't it? That's why we invested money and time. We wanted to be part of this new game that has the potential to be the best ARPG that has ever existed. While it still has many flaws, it's still in EA and many changes will happen. The best way we can participate while its in EA is to give good constructive feedback and make suggestion on how to make the game better.

But trading toxicity between players? I doubt that this will help.

Unfortunately war of making game better is irrelevant, GGG won't react to any feedback, even detailed down to code snippets for them. Unless really large amount of pissed players pile in 1 thread, like it happened with multithreading crash.

And white knights do good job of not allowing that to happen. Even if all you ever speak about is adding more options, not irreversibly changing core game to your tastes, someone is going to personally attack you until you are discouraged from talking further. Usually with kinda absurd logic of "you just want this because you cannot complete X in the game".

Result is feedback being splintered in dozens to hundreds of small threads over time, so GGG may safely ignore it even if those threads combined yield same result of 500+ pages of pissed players as recent crash topic.

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Echothesis#7320 a écrit :

Unfortunately war of making game better is irrelevant, GGG won't react to any feedback, even detailed down to code snippets for them. Unless really large amount of pissed players pile in 1 thread, like it happened with multithreading crash.

And white knights do good job of not allowing that to happen. Even if all you ever speak about is adding more options, not irreversibly changing core game to your tastes, someone is going to personally attack you until you are discouraged from talking further. Usually with kinda absurd logic of "you just want this because you cannot complete X in the game".

Result is feedback being splintered in dozens to hundreds of small threads over time, so GGG may safely ignore it even if those threads combined yield same result of 500+ pages of pissed players as recent crash topic.

I want to be clear here:

Toxicity and Whiteknighting are two sides of the same coin. Both are equally bad. While toxicity is rude, aggressive and degrading, whiteknighting is (like the term "knight" suggests) elitist and doesn't allow any kind of criticism at all. Funnily enough, whiteknighting most often ends in toxicity as well and in the end it's a personal shitstorm between two fractions, but no one will gain anything out of that.

About GGGs participation here:

I don't expect GGG to answer topics here. What I do expect however is, that their forum staff is reading along the lines here and take things to heart. That's the only thing important for me. If they would entirely ignore this forum, I'd rather want them to remove this feedback section entirely.