A Humble Request Regarding PoE1 MTX and Past Supporter Packs in PoE2

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AceNightfire#0980 a écrit :

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sean914314#3748 a écrit :

Providing a one-time opportunity for PoE2 players to acquire past PoE1 supporter packs

But that's not how trust works.

A part of the players buy these packs because they trust GGG that they will never ever under no circumstances offer these packs again. It doesn't matter if it's PoE1 or 2, they purchased the rights to be exclusive owners after the supporter packs have ended. Path of Exile 2 is still Path of Exile. It's the successor of the first one. Also, PoE2 and 1 share more or less the same community. It's not a brand new game franchise with a complete new community. These players want to have the exclusive rights on the items within this community.

The moment GGG does offer this once, this trust for exactly these players is broken. It's like you have a girlfriend and she cheats on you. If she told you "Babe, this was a once in a lifetime thing, please trust me" could you really trust her again? Would you never have doubts in your mind when she goes out alone? I guess many couldn't trust that girlfriend again. And if GGG does it once, I would fully understand if people would lose their trust in GGG.

I think, instead of focusing on the past MTX, GGG could introduce new and maybe "similiar" cosmetics. Distinct enough, but the same flair. I think that would be the best solution.

Thank you for your thoughtful response. I completely agree that the loss of trust among some POE1 veterans is a real concern, and it undoubtedly affects the current dynamics. However, it’s important to remember that this issue represents only a segment of the overall player base. According to several unofficial surveys and community discussions, it appears that roughly 30% to 40% of POE2’s players are transitioning from POE1, while a significant majority consists of new players. This broader perspective suggests that when planning for the game’s future, we should consider a diverse range of player experiences and expectations.

From a long-term development standpoint, while it’s true that some veteran players may feel disenchanted due to their experiences with POE1, this shift also underlines GGG’s commitment to reinvesting in the future of the game. The increased revenue, partly driven by changes in the monetization model, enables the team to allocate more resources toward developing richer content and innovative features in POE2. Additionally, many long-time fans are eagerly anticipating the chance to experience a new beginning with POE2, including the opportunity to finally access certain features or items they may have missed in the past.

In summary, these considerations are not in conflict with a strategic focus on new microtransactions; rather, they complement each other. By balancing the needs and expectations of both veteran and new players, GGG can solidify its existing foundation while also attracting fresh interest, ultimately setting the stage for sustainable long-term growth. I appreciate your insights and look forward to more constructive discussions on this topic.

Sean

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GIBAS1996#4295 a écrit :

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PoliScikosis#4224 a écrit :

Speaking as someone who spent enough on PoE1 to auto invite into PoE2 EA, I can say from my own perspective.... if they opened up many of those supporter packs from leagues, years ago and allowed new players to buy them....

I would feel CHEATED. There will be other cosmetics. This entire notion of catching SOME players up from something OTHER players acquired is pure entitlement. And yes, even paid cosmetics from previous leagues. To me, they are a symbol of tenure in this game. And nothing would make me quit this game faster than someone wearing a Blood Knights Armor set asking in chat what resistances mean.

Cheated how? you lose nothing fundamentally important. If someone wearing a cosmetic you have is enough to make you rage quit is that not just immaturity? Please understand i mean no ill will in this statement i am just asking as someone confused by the logic of this.

Why is it immature? Many companies worldwide use the same method. Like building a limited amount of a certain car model and selling it very expensive to a few people. Just imagine Lamborghini would build such a car 10 times and would sell it at 3 times the normal value of a Lamborghini. And 10 years later they say "Sorry guys, but we build this exact same model again for some customers". It would devalue your car, because more then 10 people own it now.

Having exclusive or rare stuff makes people feel special.

And now look at the adverticement of the supporter packs:

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We're proud to announce the Settlers Supporter Packs! There are two series of packs available that help you celebrate the release of the Settlers of Kalguur challenge league with many exclusive effects. Each of the two series has different contents, so you can choose whichever one (or both) you prefer. You can upgrade from the cheaper one in a series to one of the more expensive ones later.

When they sell the supporter packs, they clearly say "exclusive". Very ofte they also mentioned "only available during this season". It's like a promise to the players.

Again: I would also love to buy stuff from the past, but I realize it's not good for GGG in doing so. And since they need to make some money to keep these games running, I'd rather don't get the opportunity to buy these past packs.

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AceNightfire#0980 a écrit :

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GIBAS1996#4295 a écrit :

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PoliScikosis#4224 a écrit :

Speaking as someone who spent enough on PoE1 to auto invite into PoE2 EA, I can say from my own perspective.... if they opened up many of those supporter packs from leagues, years ago and allowed new players to buy them....

I would feel CHEATED. There will be other cosmetics. This entire notion of catching SOME players up from something OTHER players acquired is pure entitlement. And yes, even paid cosmetics from previous leagues. To me, they are a symbol of tenure in this game. And nothing would make me quit this game faster than someone wearing a Blood Knights Armor set asking in chat what resistances mean.

Cheated how? you lose nothing fundamentally important. If someone wearing a cosmetic you have is enough to make you rage quit is that not just immaturity? Please understand i mean no ill will in this statement i am just asking as someone confused by the logic of this.

Why is it immature? Many companies worldwide use the same method. Like building a limited amount of a certain car model and selling it very expensive to a few people. Just imagine Lamborghini would build such a car 10 times and would sell it at 3 times the normal value of a Lamborghini. And 10 years later they say "Sorry guys, but we build this exact same model again for some customers". It would devalue your car, because more then 10 people own it now.

Having exclusive or rare stuff makes people feel special.

And now look at the adverticement of the supporter packs:

"

We're proud to announce the Settlers Supporter Packs! There are two series of packs available that help you celebrate the release of the Settlers of Kalguur challenge league with many exclusive effects. Each of the two series has different contents, so you can choose whichever one (or both) you prefer. You can upgrade from the cheaper one in a series to one of the more expensive ones later.

When they sell the supporter packs, they clearly say "exclusive". Very ofte they also mentioned "only available during this season". It's like a promise to the players.

Again: I would also love to buy stuff from the past, but I realize it's not good for GGG in doing so. And since they need to make some money to keep these games running, I'd rather don't get the opportunity to buy these past packs.

From my observation, GGG’s core philosophy focuses more on player involvement, deep gameplay experiences, and continuous content development, which stands in contrast to the extreme luxury and status-symbol image of a brand like Lamborghini. While Lamborghini emphasizes high performance and identity recognition, GGG has always pursued a fair, strategic, and innovative gaming environment, striving to evolve the game content based on active player participation.

Therefore, while the Lamborghini analogy might be used in certain contexts to illustrate a strategy of extreme positioning or exclusivity, it doesn’t quite align with GGG’s player-centered approach, which emphasizes community interaction and rich, evolving content.

As for the suggestion I mentioned earlier, the limited-time purchase event for POE2 items is restricted to POE2 usage only, so it doesn’t contradict the trust of the player base.

Sean

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AceNightfire#0980 a écrit :

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GIBAS1996#4295 a écrit :

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PoliScikosis#4224 a écrit :

Speaking as someone who spent enough on PoE1 to auto invite into PoE2 EA, I can say from my own perspective.... if they opened up many of those supporter packs from leagues, years ago and allowed new players to buy them....

I would feel CHEATED. There will be other cosmetics. This entire notion of catching SOME players up from something OTHER players acquired is pure entitlement. And yes, even paid cosmetics from previous leagues. To me, they are a symbol of tenure in this game. And nothing would make me quit this game faster than someone wearing a Blood Knights Armor set asking in chat what resistances mean.

Cheated how? you lose nothing fundamentally important. If someone wearing a cosmetic you have is enough to make you rage quit is that not just immaturity? Please understand i mean no ill will in this statement i am just asking as someone confused by the logic of this.

Why is it immature? Many companies worldwide use the same method. Like building a limited amount of a certain car model and selling it very expensive to a few people. Just imagine Lamborghini would build such a car 10 times and would sell it at 3 times the normal value of a Lamborghini. And 10 years later they say "Sorry guys, but we build this exact same model again for some customers". It would devalue your car, because more then 10 people own it now.

Having exclusive or rare stuff makes people feel special.

And now look at the adverticement of the supporter packs:

"

We're proud to announce the Settlers Supporter Packs! There are two series of packs available that help you celebrate the release of the Settlers of Kalguur challenge league with many exclusive effects. Each of the two series has different contents, so you can choose whichever one (or both) you prefer. You can upgrade from the cheaper one in a series to one of the more expensive ones later.

When they sell the supporter packs, they clearly say "exclusive". Very ofte they also mentioned "only available during this season". It's like a promise to the players.

Again: I would also love to buy stuff from the past, but I realize it's not good for GGG in doing so. And since they need to make some money to keep these games running, I'd rather don't get the opportunity to buy these past packs.

what i am saying is immature is the idea of someone throwing a fit and tantrum over someone else buying a skin pack. It's like the people in fortnite who have a full blown meltdown as adults because they "had it OG epic". It just cringes me out when it is just cosmetic items in a game where you barely have if not have at all any player interaction outside of friends

They got a lot of flack for doing this.



To be fair they get flack anytime they do a basic recolor and as someone who knows how to do these changes it is pretty lame. It takes minutes if all you're doing to tweaking colors mats.

I've poked fun at a few things they try to sell myself. Thing like eye, level-up and other VFX that don't even require models are really easy to make. I'm not a professional by any means but sometimes just kinda have to laugh.

MTX in this game is very expensive for what you get sometimes. They do obviously have some quality work. Some of it gets ruined by bloat like the Snowcaller Armor. I wish I could turn off the snow on that. Point is, I think they'd have to lower prices if they didn't use FOMO.

They should definitely open up past MTX items for purchase. It is mostly a single player game where someones MTX is barely seen by others, so I don’t understand what one could possibly be upset over or the “FOMO” argument. There is no FOMO as the supporter packs were only limited by time and not amount available.

Blizzard has been releasing tons of previously retired item models and mounts and it’s gotten zero backlash. People care less than some would think.

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sean914314#3748 a écrit :

From my observation, GGG’s core philosophy focuses more on player involvement, deep gameplay experiences, and continuous content development, which stands in contrast to the extreme luxury and status-symbol image of a brand like Lamborghini. While Lamborghini emphasizes high performance and identity recognition, GGG has always pursued a fair, strategic, and innovative gaming environment, striving to evolve the game content based on active player participation.

I think it's important here to not mix things up. The gameplay philosophy and the monetization philophy are two very different things and are almost independent from each other. A company can have a focus on player involvement and gameplay experience and still offer exclusive content for identity recognition.

And I think that is what GGG is doing. I mean, take a look at what kind of supporter packs they are offering. The highest ones are always multiple hundrerds of $. That's like having a Lamborghini in PoE. And you don't pay the hundrerds of $ because the cosmetics were difficult to make. You pay that, because it most often looks the most bad ass and you know you are one of the few who will have it. While most players can easily afford the low-tier support packs, I guess there are only a handful people who actually buy the ones in the hundreds. And that exclusivity makes it worthwhile.

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sean914314#3748 a écrit :

As for the suggestion I mentioned earlier, the limited-time purchase event for POE2 items is restricted to POE2 usage only, so it doesn’t contradict the trust of the player base.

Sean

You might feel that way, but you are probably not one of the few guys that bought all the most expensive supporter packs. So we are probably not able to tell how many people would lose trust in GGG when they would do so. We should be careful not to generalize our own thoughts to easily.

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GIBAS1996#4295 a écrit :

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PoliScikosis#4224 a écrit :

Speaking as someone who spent enough on PoE1 to auto invite into PoE2 EA, I can say from my own perspective.... if they opened up many of those supporter packs from leagues, years ago and allowed new players to buy them....

I would feel CHEATED. There will be other cosmetics. This entire notion of catching SOME players up from something OTHER players acquired is pure entitlement. And yes, even paid cosmetics from previous leagues. To me, they are a symbol of tenure in this game. And nothing would make me quit this game faster than someone wearing a Blood Knights Armor set asking in chat what resistances mean.

Cheated how? you lose nothing fundamentally important. If someone wearing a cosmetic you have is enough to make you rage quit is that not just immaturity? Please understand i mean no ill will in this statement i am just asking as someone confused by the logic of this.

Supporter packs do not need to be exclusive as they are just supporter packs as an option. Leagues are a vastly different culture as they themselves are bred to be time exclusive. I might be misunderstand but i thought the supporter packs and league packs were a different thing.

Again no ill will here just someone confused by the notion of exclusive superiority ideals.

You don't have to get it or agree with it for it to be a fact. The packs are sold with limited time availability as a fundamental part of the deal.

You say you lose nothing fundamentally important, but what you mean is that you lose nothing fundamentally important to you. That's your subjective opinion, but again; not relevant to objective discussion of the OP. Whether or not you agree with the importance of the fomo aspect of the product or not is completely irrelevant; it remains a part of the product. Similarly, they couldn't later randomly decide to remove one of the skins in the pack and be ok, because the pack was sold with the skins as advertised. Later removing it would be a breach of the terms of that sale.

It isn't immature to expect a company to comply with the terms of a sale they advertised and profited from; it's expected adult behavior. You're characterising the behavior as immature and "throwing a hissy fit" because you define the part of the sale in question as unimportant, but as described above, that's your opinion and not relevant at all to the reality, which is that the time-limited aspect was part of the sale terms.