[3.25 READY] Versatile Combatant Impale Shield Crush - Crush the Atlas - SSF Compatible

Should be fixed now, sorry. I do have a forbidden rite build, guess I copied the wrong one over.

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RIP shields

Shield Skills deal too much damage for how little investment is required and have had their damage unintentionally increased by the buffs to base armour defences in this expansion. Shield Charge also generates Fortification too easily without investment.
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fate3 a écrit :
RIP shields

Shield Skills deal too much damage for how little investment is required and have had their damage unintentionally increased by the buffs to base armour defences in this expansion. Shield Charge also generates Fortification too easily without investment.


SST and Shield Charge got some hits but Shield Crush looks fine. A bit of a damage loss on flat damage and a very slight attack speed nerf, but nothing major.

We've got a bunch of bonus damages from (probably) the passive tree and ascendancies anyways. Shield Crush will be just fine.
Dernière édition par OMFGaTaco#4239, le 14 oct. 2021 18:59:03
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Shield Crush now has a base Attack Time of 0.8 seconds at all gem levels (previously 0.85-0.76 seconds). Now has 3 to 4 Added Physical Damage per 15 Armour or Evasion Rating on Shield at gem level 1 (unchanged), up to 5 to 7 at gem level 20 (previously 4 to 6). Now deals 4 to 6 Base Off Hand Physical Damage at gem level 1 (unchanged), up to 172 to 258 at gem level 20 (previously 286 to 429).



Napkin's calculation of average damage for values in those patch notes for 3000 armour shield with SC gem lvl 20:

current:
base off-hand - (429-286)/2 + 286 = 357
added per 15 armour - 3000/15=200 -> 200*5=1000
total: 1357

new:
base off-hand - (258-172)/2 + 172 = 215
added per 15 armour - 3000/15=200 -> 200*6=1200
total: 1415


New version has lower base damage, but higher bonus per 15 armour. And also it has a slightly reduced attack speed. But until my math is off, or they have some typo in those notes, everything here looks almost the same to me.

So for current builds (with legacy items) it all may not change that much at the end. The most shift in damage may actually come from that new skill tree. And for that we need to wait a bit.
Dernière édition par artisanix#4548, le 14 oct. 2021 19:23:48
So one thing I debated this past season was running champion shield crush but the gladiator block ascendancy was too strong.

I saw a couple builds do that this season with a scaeva which has mods based on socket like prismatic eclipse except you get can get crit multi instead per green and a big global crit boost.

The ascendancy also works well with how you want to build it out. Fortify, impale, banner can all synergize and if you want more block you can try the new keystone.

Also the scourge mechanic would be easy to play with on a unique weapon because you can just redo it on another and you don't have to try and get a double corrupted item.
Dernière édition par fate3#6913, le 14 oct. 2021 20:59:33
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fate3 a écrit :
So one thing I debated this past season was running champion shield crush but the gladiator block ascendancy was too strong.

I saw a couple builds do that this season with a scaeva which has mods based on socket like prismatic eclipse except you get can get crit multi instead per green and a big global crit boost.

The ascendancy also works well with how you want to build it out. Fortify, impale, banner can all synergize and if you want more block you can try the new keystone.

Also the scourge mechanic would be easy to play with on a unique weapon because you can just redo it on another and you don't have to try and get a double corrupted item.


Once we get Path of Building I will be looking into all 3 duelist ascendancies and comparing notes to see what will be the most effective when it comes to this kind of build. At least of what i've seen though (unless passive masteries change a ton), Gladiator will still be the best for us.
I played your build this league and I really enjoyed it thanks.
Hope it's still going to be viable for the new league.
I'm looking forward to your build update !
I've plugged new numbers for Shield Crush (base damage, armour scaling, attack speed) into PoB.
Also I've modified armour on my shield, increasing base value by 13% and removing +18% quality bench craft. Resulting armour on the shield remained almost the same at ~2850.
Combined DPS also stayed virtually the same, with difference being under 1%.

There may be some changes at lower levels, but endgame damage for Shield Crush should be fine in 3.16.


I need someone who will help me to create a guide for this one. Shield crush max crit 550% multi, closes all the content, have 103kk sirus damage. Min maxed build - it have 36 unreserved mana and is 36 manacost of shield crush. Ideal.

The only thing it misses - a enchantment on helmet with 18% as from ancestral totem, which gives the max steroid on our dps.
Dernière édition par FkoFF#0909, le 15 oct. 2021 17:15:50
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FkoFF a écrit :


I need someone who will help me to create a guide for this one. Shield crush max crit 550% multi, closes all the content, have 103kk sirus damage. Min maxed build - it have 36 unreserved mana and is 36 manacost of shield crush. Ideal.

The only thing it misses - a enchantment on helmet with 18% as from ancestral totem, which gives the max steroid on our dps.


I have some potentially upsetting news about mana reservation and dodge.
Dernière édition par DeadOnDeparture#4503, le 16 oct. 2021 01:06:30

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