Passive Tree - Kind of Boring

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Autocthon a écrit :

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Reinhart a écrit :

I do not approve for respecs tout court.

Your decisions have to be permanent. The choices you make during level up will have consequences.

There are already enough games which cater to casuals who love the respec system. But I do not want that in PoE. There are already so few games these days for the intellectually talented.

But a build planner which you can print out, would be a nice feature on this site.

Wanting flexibility to figure out what stats work and which don't.

Immediately called casual.

Rerolling because you realize 20 levels into the game that you didn't understand the game should not be mandatory. Reolling just to test the first 20 levels of a build should also not be mandatory. I have better tings to do with the 7(ish) hours that it takes to reach level 20 (just to play with a fun new toy).

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Askers a écrit :

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JustAprofile a écrit :

This does give the peoples more options in the way customization, but the thing is there will always be that player who does it right. Once I get in the beta I will see the effect it has on the comment and how much it makes the combat differentiate from time to time.

Just because you have more points to put into a skill tree does not mean you have more real choices. In the original post they specifically mention putting 6 points into the same thing (+10 STR). Then later mention having to put another 7 points into STR again.

Placing multiple points in "filler" to reach the skills you want only gives you the illusion of choice. You are really just looking at a few places on the tree that you want to reach and choosing the shortest path between them.

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Bissrok a écrit :

I know a lot of the complaints about the passive skill tree is that it's needlessly complicated, and that's certainly true, but my biggest complaint is that it's mostly just boring.

It gets compared to FFX's tree a lot, but the difference there was that FFX had variety, and the splits in their tree were less common, at least until late in the game.

In PoE, I picked up Strength (+10 to strength) for six levels in a row to get the skill I wanted. And now the next skill I want is twenty-six points away and on the most convoluted path you could imagine. And so, each time I level, I have to trace it back to the beginning. Plus it's seven more Strength points in. And I had no interest in raising my strength at any point in this process.

That's not fun. That's all sorts of tedious. I want to customize my character, but this isn't the solution. People are just going to end up copying the popular builds anyway, because the average player isn't going to take the time to analyze this map for an hour. They'll either wing it every level and get frustrated, or immediately give up and cheat off someone else. Because it's boring.

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Forboding_Angel a écrit :

The so called "Hardcore" gamer crowd will destroy this game if they are catered to. Basically because casual players will make up about 95% of the player base, and the other 5% will be hardcore players.

Perhaps a casual league should be created, and in that league, the parts of the game that suck can be removed. That way, hc players can use whatever league they want and have all the fun in the world, and the rest of us can just enjoy playing the game.

I spent 3 days playing a witch when I first started. 3 days, played tons of hours, then realized that I fucked up the massive stargate skill system. Had to re-create and start from scratch. It wasn't fun. In a game like guild wars I could just go into town and respec and continue playing with my friends.

Unfortunately, not so much in this game. So basically I spent all that time all over again, playing by myself.

The devs of this game will have to start listening to the casual players at some point, otherwise the turnover rate will be extremely high.

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Forboding_Angel a écrit :

I spent 3 days playing a witch when I first started. 3 days, played tons of hours, then realized that I fucked up the massive stargate skill system. Had to re-create and start from scratch. It wasn't fun. In a game like guild wars I could just go into town and respec and continue playing with my friends.

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Chris a écrit :

It's possible that changes will be made to the respec system. We've discussed many options which all have their advantages and disadvantages. Depending on what mechanical changes we make to the tree, some or none of these respec modifications may be needed. Regardless of what respec policy we settle on though, we want to make sure that players can't respec large amounts of their character trivially and are encouraged to start a new character if they want an entirely different build.